Big Brown declared out of BC

DDT · Postby **DDT** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:44 am

Just read in the Bloodhorse it seems he grabbed a quarter working this morning and has been declared out of the BC by Dutrow

DDT

HR LLC · Postby **HR LLC** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:50 am

I guess the Haskell was his last race. I really wanted to see Curlin run him down on BC day...

HR LLC · Postby **HR LLC** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:52 am

Sorry, I meant that turf race, not the Haskell as being his last race...

Des · Postby **Des** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:02 am

Let the speculations begin........................ :?:

DDT · Postby **DDT** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:07 am

The follow-up report says Big Brown has been retired. I don't know if you can speculate tearing half a foot off.

DDT

BenB · Postby **BenB** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:10 am

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... out-injury

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:25 am

DDT wrote:

The follow-up report says Big Brown has been retired. I don't know if you can speculate tearing half a foot off.

Ditto..

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:51 am

WTF?

what happened in laymens terms?

achinjrt · Postby **achinjrt** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:03 am

Sounds like the Big Brown backers are running scared from a showdown at the Breeders Cup. As you can tell I do not think BB is much! Then to retire him - I sure would not breed to him and those feet!

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:04 am

Here is an anomaly about race trainers that continues to baffle me - maybe someone who knows much more than I do can address my question.

I come mainly from the sport horse world, except for a two year stint riding racing QH's... During exercise, warm up, schooling, etc. etc. we typically use different kinds of leg protection for the horse to prevent injury. I use splint boots to gallop my two year olds. If I have a horse disposed to overreaching, which is what causes "grabbing a quarter," I will use bellboots on the front (the soft white ribbed ones are the best for galloping). If I have a horse who interferes a bit behind, well the bellboots go on there (where the heavier black smooth ones work best). When we work young horses in a confined area - to teach flexibility, bending, aid response, etc., they go out in polo wraps. So HERE is My Question: Why would ANYONE send out a horse like BB for a workout, KNOWING he has a predisposition for overreach, and not put some kind of protection on his front feet?

DDT · Postby **DDT** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:04 am

Simply put, sometime during the workout or pulling up Big Brown stepped on his own front foot with his own back foot and the result was he tore off half the foot.

DDT

dray33 · Postby **dray33** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:12 am

I got this feeling he wouldn't run a couple days ago, his camp has been so quiet. I am not one bit surprised.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:16 am

i am torn on what to believe.

tearing off your foot is pretty serious.

with that said, it's that.. the unquestionableness about the situtation, which makes me think cover up. if that makes any sense. it's like "well.. can't question that.. too bad. we wanted sooooo bad to run in the classic, but now we can't becuase of this unquestionable injury"

dray33 · Postby **dray33** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:18 am

madelyn wrote:So HERE is My Question: Why would ANYONE send out a horse like BB for a workout, KNOWING he has a predisposition for overreach, and not put some kind of protection on his front feet?

I haven't a clue.

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:04 am

dray33 wrote:
madelyn wrote:So HERE is My Question: Why would ANYONE send out a horse like BB for a workout, KNOWING he has a predisposition for overreach, and not put some kind of protection on his front feet?

I haven't a clue.

Well, what Madelyn describes is usually from interfering (catching the back of front leg-from hoof to cannon- with hind leg). I agree with her and use the same equipment as well as sports medicine or splint boots along with bells.

However, what it sounds like Big Brown did was forge (catch the bottom of foot with hind foot).

I hate horses that forge as there is really nothing you can do with a horse that is forging. Not even bell boots will prevent it as it is a severe bio-mechanical fault.....

It is actually, quite rare, and I have only seen it in one horse I have been associated with. You can actually hear their shoes clicking from the forging while in active gaits.

Sport horse breeders frown heavily on forging. Interfering is also bad but you can sometimes improve interfering once the horse has learned how to balance and develops more collection. A lot of horses that interfere are strung out and out of balance.

So, this is just my guess but I cannot say for sure without seeing it.