Looking to buy a stallion from track

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:42 pm

Karen, I would have to think that "being stabled across from Ron would be fairly clear as to where I am located, thought it was self explanatory... maybe you missed that part.
Mutts are great. But we are in crisis. People turning their horses out in Florida to... come what may??? aka.. alligator... Horses left to fend for themselves on foreclosed and abandoned property... Sorry, but I can't see breeding horses indiscriminately during this economic crisis. There is nothing that will change my mind on this. Our animals are the first to pay the price. It's tragic.
One of the only times I will or have been vocal or take a stand on this type of thread.

Jazette · Postby **Jazette** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:42 pm

Wow! This thread has gone haywire. Karon asked for a friend about purchasing a stallion off the track for breeding and it has lead to all of this. Advice is what was asked for and to begin with she got it, but now we are talking about "mutts" and irresponsible breeding.

I would like to say first without the breeders and owners there would be no horse racing ... Although some of us are bottom feeders we still love our horses and still breed to the best that we can breed. Not everyone can be a millionare nor Grade 1 winner. For every winner there are tons of more losers. Without the "losers" the races wouldn't fill and tence there would be no winners. Consider this as the domino affect.

It is all regional for a small time breed. Baby steps first ... win at Retama and then move to Sam Houston and the maybe to Lone Star... whoo and then maybe out of state. Personally, I like to watch my horses run and if we accidental bred something worth the Kentuck Derby I may need to take a loan out to go and watch him/her run...or I may never know lol

Bottom line, small time breeders breed because they love to and is this is no different than fishing ... we all want to catch the "big" one. I currently having a wealing that looks like a mule out of a beautiful 60k winning mare and a 1.6m winning stallion. She'll look beautiful in the winner's circle.

All I ask is that we don't lose prespective whether it be a big fish in a small pond or vice-a-versa.

Jazette · Postby **Jazette** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:47 pm

Oh, I also have an OTT 4 year old gelding that hit his tendon He has been off the track for 5 months and he was vet checked by a prospective buyer and he "gave" to the right front twice. He didn't sell. He is big, beautiful and kind and I have had inquiries from Mexico ... don't think so!

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:42 pm

Sure, "the big one" but that's not the topic.

Not really relative but...
We had one broodmare. First baby was a flat runner. Won a stake in her 3rd start. Sold her for just under 3/4 of a million. Next foal. Died in a barn fire before it was a yearling. Next foal, mare reproductive loss..., next aborted at 9 months. The next foal made it to the races. He just ran for $50,000 and got beat. The following foal has never made it to the races. She's 3. If it weren't for the first foal we'd have lost our butts. We sold the mare. Thank God. Breeding's not a sure thing.
Who is handling the stallion? Is she set up for a stallion? There are so many factors above and beyond the actual breeding. And the wasted horses dying across the US.
And at the end of the day, we shouldn't be breeding. We don't need to.

Bunty Lawless · Postby **Bunty Lawless** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:21 pm

Tucumcari wrote:Karen, I would have to think that "being stabled across from Ron would be fairly clear as to where I am located, thought it was self explanatory... maybe you missed that part.
Mutts are great. But we are in crisis. People turning their horses out in Florida to... come what may??? aka.. alligator... Horses left to fend for themselves on foreclosed and abandoned property... Sorry, but I can't see breeding horses indiscriminately during this economic crisis. There is nothing that will change my mind on this. Our animals are the first to pay the price. It's tragic.
One of the only times I will or have been vocal or take a stand on this type of thread.

I'll bet the rescues have some decent stallions. Go to AlexBrownRacing.com and go on the rescues board and ask if there are trainers looking to find homes for stallions and/or rescues looking to find homes. Also check with some of the area breeding farms that may be thinking of doing the unthinkable soon, if they don't sell them at a sale.

Bunty Lawless · Postby **Bunty Lawless** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:26 pm

Jazette wrote:Bottom line, small time breeders breed because they love to and is this is no different than fishing ... we all want to catch the "big" one. I currently having a wealing that looks like a mule out of a beautiful 60k winning mare and a 1.6m winning stallion. She'll look beautiful in the winner's circle.

All I ask is that we don't lose prespective whether it be a big fish in a small pond or vice-a-versa.

With fish you can throw it back and it will likely survive. It doesn't work like that for horses. Big difference. Catching the "big" one can be done by picking one that is already on the ground. Likely cheaper too!

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:54 pm

The thought of buying a Tb on the racetrack, & hope he makes a successful stallion is like hitting a bulls eye at 500 yards. This is a tough business, & it gets tougher if u try an wishful think u can go against the grain to accomplish your goal of the same.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:32 pm

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I'll bet the rescues have some decent stallions. Go to AlexBrownRacing.com and go on the rescues board and ask if there are trainers looking to find homes for stallions and/or rescues looking to find homes. Also check with some of the area breeding farms that may be thinking of doing the unthinkable soon, if they don't sell them at a sale.[/quote]

Bunty, I love rescues and have nothing but respect for them and what they do. But I don't think adopting for breeding is a great thing at this time.

karenkarenn · Postby **karenkarenn** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:35 pm

Look it doesnt HAVE to be from the track. I am having alot of hits from people who have had their horses in training for some time now.
Karen

Sylvie Hebert · Postby **Sylvie Hebert** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:45 pm

agreed,there are plently of leftovers everywhere and lots of them are talented,before we breed a single more mare we should know that we are able to take care of that one more horse for the rest of it's life...Isn't there a group or two who are trying to make breeders responsible for what their produce?I believe i saw something about it somewhere...