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Postby louis finochio » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:03 am

FRIESAN FIRE (USA) b. C, 2006 DP = 5-12-17-0-0 (34) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.65 - 7 Starts, 4 Wins, 1 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $603,725

Owner: Vinery Stables and Fox Hill Farm
Breeder: Grapestock LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 7 Starts: 4 - 1 - 1, $603,725

At 2: 3rd Futurity S. (G2,Bel,7f)
At 3: Won Louisiana Derby (G2,FG,8.5f), Lecomte S. (G3,FG,8f), Risen Star S. (G3,FG,8.5f)

Family 2c, Foaled April 30, 2006.
Updated 14Mar2009

FRIESAN FIRE b. C. 2006
A P Indy---Bollinger, by Dehere

FF is a borderline Fashion bred, as he has 22 crosses NP---10 crosses PH.
FF is inbred 3 X 4 Secretariat, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 X 5 Bold Ruler, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 Somethingroyal mare Princequillo branch Prince Rose outcross.
FF doesnt have the Ph domination of those foundation stallions in his immediate family. The stallions that break up that Ph domination are:
Dehere, Marscay, Deputy Minister, Bold Reasoning, Boldnesian, Poker, Vice Regent, Sir Tristam, Prince Bright, To Market, Star Kingdom, Damascus, Buntys Flight, Jet Action, Round Table.

Have a great run on the 1st saturday in May, you will love that long Churchill stretch.
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Postby louis finochio » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:23 am

RACHEL ALEXANDRA (USA) b. F, 2006 DP = 3-2-7-2-0 (14) DI = 1.55 CD = 0.43 - 8 Starts, 5 Wins, 2 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $471,440

Owner: Dolphus Morrison
Breeder: Dolphus Morrison
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 8 Starts: 5 - 2 - 0, $471,440

At 2: 1st Golden Rod S.(G2); 2nd Debutante S.(G3,CD,6F), Pocahontas S.(G3,CD).
At 3: 1st Fair Grounds Oaks (G2), Martha Washington S.(OP).

as of 14Mar09

RACHEL ALEXANDRA b. F. 2006
Medaglia Doro---Lotta Kim, by Roar

RA has 17 crosses Ph. 15 crosses NP thru her sire & dams.
RA is a Non Fashion bred, as she is inbred 5 X 5 Sir Gaylord, Nearco branch Ph. Sir Gaylord has very few breakdowns thru inbreeding.
4 X 4 ND, Nearco branch Ph.
The stallions that appear in RA immediate family that break up the domination of those Ph. foundatiion stallions are: El Prado, Roar, Cure the Blues, Bold Reason, Forty Niner, Bailjumper, Sadlers Wells, Damascus, Silent Screen, Sir Ivor, Restless Wind, Stop the Music, Lord Gaylord, Sword Dancer, Royal Vale, Chieftain, Dr. Fager, Graustark.

Have a great run my love in the Ky. Oaks.
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Postby endspurt stables » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:46 am

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Postby louis finochio » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:21 pm

endspurt: explain what u mean, i'm lost, thanks, louis.
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Postby louis finochio » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:46 am

This 5yo dark-bay horse by Mr. Greeley out of Fair and Lively broke down (sesamoids) midstretch and was later euthanized. Contributed by reader in Plainwell, Michigan.
$40K OC, FG 3/13/09
Owner(s): Donato Lanni and Martin Cherry
Trainer: Steve Asmussen

Mr. Rowdy Br. C 2004
Mr. Greeley---Fair and Lively, by Lively One

Mr. Rowdy was a Fashion Bred an had 14 starts, MR was inbred 4 X 5 RAN, Polynesian branch Ph.---4 X 5 X 5 Bold Ruler, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Native Dancer, Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 Turn-to. Nearco branch Ph.
MR had 1 cross each Mr. P.---Secretariat---Hail to Reason---Nasrullah---Nashua, all Ph. sire line foundation stallions that had had the most breakdowns thru inbreeding.
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Postby louis finochio » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:20 am

WHO DONE THAT (USA) ch. G, 2005 DP = 22-10-15-1-0 (48) DI = 4.65 CD = 1.10 - 5 Starts, 1 Wins, 1 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $36,075

Owner: Alex G. Campbell Jr.
Breeder: Alex G. Campbell, Jr. Thoroughbreds, LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 5 Starts: 1 - 1 - 0, $36,075

Sadly Broke Down at Gulfstream Park on Feb.6, 2009.

Foaled May 3, 2005

WHO DONE THAT Ch. C 2005
Carson City---Rodes Heartnut, by Strodes Creek

Who Done That was trained by G. Allen & was a Fashion Bred.
WDT had 16 crosses NP---16 crosses PH thru his sires & dams.
WDT was inbred 4 X 5 X 5 ND, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nasrullah, Nearco branch Ph.---2 X 4 Mr. P. Polynesian branch Ph.---3 X 5 RAN, Polynesian branch Ph.
WDT had 1 cross each Native Dancer, Nashua, Hail to Reason, Nearctic, Turn-to.
This mating was top heavy thru inbreeding & those one crosses of Ph. that could have been responsible for the breakdown of WDT.
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Postby louis finochio » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:23 am

WIN WILLY (USA) gr/r. C, 2006 DP = 11-5-8-0-0 (24) DI = 5.00 CD = 1.13 - 4 Starts, 3 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $210,070

Owner: Jer-Mar Stable LLC
Breeder: Overbrook Farm
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 4 Starts: 3 - 0 - 0, $210,070

At 3: Won Rebel S. (G2,OP,8.5F)

Foaled April 1, 2006.
KeeSep'07:$25,000
Updated 14Mar09

WIN WILLY gr. C. 2006
Monarchos---City Pair, by Carson City

WW is a Fashion Bred as he has a balance of 16 crosses NP---16 crosses PH. thru his sires & dams.
WW is inbred 4 X 4 ND, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Hail to Reason, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nearctic, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Natalma, Polynesian branch Ph.
WW has 1 cross each Mr. P.---RAN---Buckpasser---Native Dancer---Nashua.
WW has those stallions of stamina in his immediate family that we dont find in those other matings of Fashion, which are: Nijinsky---Majestic Prince---Graustark---Sea-Bird---Arctic Tern---Majestic Light---Roberto---Wavering Monarch---Dixieland Band. Most all of these stamina stallions excell on turf.
Have a great turn of foot on Derby Day WW.
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Postby louis finochio » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:47 am

VALID NAME C, 2006 DP = 6-4-4-0-0 (14) DI = 6.00 CD = 1.14 - 1 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $0

Owner: Four Roses Thoroughbreds

Euthanized after breaking down at Gulfstream Park on 2/28/09.

VALID NAME C. 2006
WhyWhyWhy---Lady Dala, by Lord Avie

VN was a Fashion Bred & had 11 crosses Ph. out of a possible 16 thru his sires.
VN was inbred 4 X 5 Mr. P. Polynesian branch Ph.---4 X 5 What a Pleasure, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Bold Ruler, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Tom Fool, Pharamond branch Ph.
Another high risk Fashion bred mating hat followed the norm of unsoundness.
The missing link in this mating was the inbreeding to those NP sallions Prince John, Princequillo branch Prince Rose, & Mahmoud branch Swynford, which would have offset the inbreeding to those Ph. sire line stallions above to add soundness.
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Postby louis finochio » Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:49 am

BOBSTHEBIGDOG (USA) b. G, 2000 DP = 5-4-13-4-0 (26) DI = 1.48 CD = 0.38 - 62 Starts, 8 Wins, 8 Places, 9 Shows Career Earnings: $66,149

Owner: Danny L. Harrell
Breeder: Bob Moreno
State Bred: CA
Winnings: 62 Starts: 8 - 8 - 9, $66,149

Foaled May 2, 2000
Layoff: 3/27/03~~3/13/04
Updated 3Aug08

BOBSTHEBIGDOG b. G. 2000
Russian courage---Orderly Walk, by Order

BTBD is a Fashion bred that is inbred 4 X 5 Native dancer, Polynesian branch Ph.---4 X 5 Alanesian mare Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 Bold Ruler, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Polynesian branch Ph.
Why did BTBD a Fashion Bred start 62 times? The answer to that can be found in his pedigree.

The following stallions break up those Ph. foundation stallions that have produced the most injuries & breakdowns, these stallions are: Nijinsky, Order, Affirmed, Damascus, Boldnesian, Bull Page, Sword Dancer, Reviewer, Exclusive Native, Blushing Groom, Count Fleet, Sunglow, Crafty Admiral, Princequillo, Cornish Prince.
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Postby louis finochio » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:19 am

SPRINTIN' JIMMY (USA) ch. G, 2005 DP = 7-6-17-0-0 (30) DI = 2.53 CD = 0.67 - 11 Starts, 2 Wins, 0 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $13,220

Owner: B E T Farm
Breeder: Gaines-Gentry Thoroughbreds
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 11 Starts: 2 - 0 - 2, $13,220

Foaled May 12, 2005
KeeSep'06:$10,000
Euthanized after breaking down in a race at Turfway Park, February 18, 2009.

SPRINTIN JIMMY Ch. G 2005
Van Nistelrooy---white Corners, by Caro

SJ was a Fashion Bred, & was inbred 5 X 5 X 5 Natalma, Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 X 5 Nearctic, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 4 X 4 ND, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Turn-to, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Somethingroyal mare, Princequillo branch Prince Rose outcross.

As we can see here, the Ph. domination of inbreeding is the dominant force that causes a mating of unsoundness, as the lone outcross of Prince Rose is not enough to produce a sound individual.
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Postby louis finochio » Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:44 am

RIGHT PROOF (USA) gr/r. G, 2000 DP = 4-6-9-1-0 (20) DI = 2.64 CD = 0.65 - 44 Starts, 5 Wins, 5 Places, 8 Shows Career Earnings: $230,270

Owner: Warren McGrath
Breeder: Wimborne Farm
Winnings: 44 Starts: 5 - 5 - 8, $230,270

2005 3rd March Madness H. Ran 30 races in just over 2 years with no breaks, always in the money, mostly on turf. Dropped in for 4k claimers at GG in last claim 1/07 by trainer Enzo Canelo & owner Warren McGrath. Raced 6 yrs.

RIGHT PROOF gr. G. 2000
Lasting Approval---Right Word, by Verbatim

RP is a NON-FASHION BRED, & has a balance of 8 crosses NP---8 cross Ph. RP is inbred 4 X 5 Princequillo, branch Prince Rose outcross---4 X 5 Nasrullah, branch Nearco.
This is a mating of soundness as the domination & clusters of inbreeding to those Ph. foundation stallions is not evident here.
The stallions in RP immediate family that break up the Ph. domination of inbreeding are: With Approval, Verbatim, Caro. Lord At War, Speak John, Fleet Nasrullah, Never Say Die, Prince John, General, Fortino, Stymie, Count Fleet, Preciptic, Tornado, Con Brio, Chamoisaire, Grey Sovereign.
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Postby louis finochio » Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:41 am

BELMONT CAT (NZ) ch. M, 2004 DP = 1-1-4-2-0 (8) DI = 1.00 CD = 0.13 - 10 Starts, 4 Wins, 2 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $156,526

Owner: Doubledown Stables Inc.
Breeder: Mrs. B. & J.E. Thompson
Winnings: 10 Starts: 4 - 2 - 0, $156,526

At 4: 2nd Otago Breeder's Stks(L,NZ,7FT);Won Bloodstock Stks(L,NZ,10FT)
At 5: Won Santa Ana H.(G2,SA,9FT)

Foaled Nov 13, 2004
sent to US in 2008

BELMONT CAT ch. M 2004
Felix the Cat---Morgan Glory, by Justice Prevails

BC is a NON-FASHION BRED & has 20 crosses NP---12 crosses Ph. thru her sires & dams.
BC has an outcross pedigree with no duplication of inbreeding, which is going against the norm in todays present time frame.
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Postby louis finochio » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:07 am

SOHO HENIE (USA) b. F, 2006 DP = 9-2-11-0-0 (22) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.91 - 1 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $300

Owner: Shirley Ann Kimball
Breeder: Shirley Ann Kimball
State Bred: CA

Foaled April 16, 2006.
Euthanized after breaking down while training at Golden Gate Fields, March 12, 2009.

SOHO HENIE b. F. 2006
Muqtarib---Henie, by Theatrical

SH was a Fashion Bred & trained by Mike Lenzini.
SH had 11 crosses Ph thru her sires, & was inbred 4 X 4 RAN Polynesian branch Ph.---4 X 4 ND, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 Bold Ruler,Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Natalma, Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nearctic, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 Forli, branch Gainsborough outcross.
SH had 1 cross each Mr. P.---Secretariat---Hail to Reason---Nashua.

Another example of an unbalanced Fashion Bred mating that was 95 % Ph. thru the inbreeding & single crosses of those Ph sire line foundation stallions. The outcross of 4 X 5 Forli did not make a difference of soundness, as SH was injured in training.
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Postby louis finochio » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:44 am

PAULISTANNA (USA) b. M, 2004 DP = 7-1-8-2-0 (18) DI = 2.00 CD = 0.72 - 24 Starts, 2 Wins, 2 Places, 5 Shows Career Earnings: $54,137

Owner: Stone Hinge Stables LLC
Breeder: Stone Hinge Stables LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 24 Starts: 2 - 2 - 5, $54,137

Foaled March 2004

PAULISTANNA b. M 2004
Silic---Arctic Quest, by Yukon

Paulistanna is a Fashion Bred that started 24 times.
P was inbred 3 X 4 ND, Nearco branch Ph---4 X 5 Nearctic, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 Natalma, Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 Nasrullah, Nearco branch Ph.---5 X 5 Native Dancer, Polynesian branch Ph.

Why did P a Fashion bred inherit the soundnes to start 24 times ?
The answer can be found in P pedigree of a different cast of stallions that are not found in those Fashion Breds that are unraced or make just a few lifetime starts.

The stallions that break up the Ph. domination of inbreeding are:
Sillery---Silic---Yukon---Barrera---Sadlers Wells---Blushing Groom---Red God---Bellypha---Rheingold---Raja Baba---Decathlon---Chieftain---Count Fleet---Ratification---Faberge---Riverman---Lyphard---Wild Risk---Bold Reason.
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Postby louis finochio » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:27 am

MALAIKA b. F, 2005 DP = 7-3-25-1-0 (36) DI = 1.67 CD = 0.44 - 1 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows

Owner: Ramona Bass
Breeder: Ramona Bass
State Bred: KY

06/01/08: broke down and euthanized in her career debut at Suffolk Downs (race 3). RIP.
1m70yd MSW on turf.

MALAIKA b. F. 2005
Stravinsky---Cita My Girl, by Kris S

Malaika was a Fashion Bred that had 9 crosses Ph. thru her sires.
M was inbred 3 X 4 ND, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 Nearctic, Nearco branch Ph.---4 X 5 Natalma, Polynesian branch Ph.---5 X 5 Native Dancer, Polynesian branch Ph.
M had 1 cross each Mr. P.---Hail to Reason--Nashua---Turn-to---RAN---Nasrullah, all Ph sire line foundation stallions.

This was a high risk mating for unsoundness, as the inbreeding to those stallions & mare Natalma are the same inbreeding patterns of many tb to fall before.
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