Smarty Jones and the "G1 filly"

Bohemia · Postby **Bohemia** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:27 pm

Heidilady, I like your last post. But when you say not to dog him, can you think of another young stallion prospect who retired with a stud fee of $100,000 who got off to such a poor start? Here we are halfway through 2009, his oldest foals are 3-year-olds, and he hasn't had even one listed winner in the United States. What is the outlook for his progeny at the yearling sales this summer/fall? The problem with moving him out of Kentucky is that any farm that agrees to stand him will have to put up with his fan base, who'll be descending in droves.

HR LLC · Postby **HR LLC** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:46 pm

I'll Show Them was a nice 3YO maiden winner for Smarty Jones today at Hollywood Park. He came from off the pace to win. Its rare to see a 1st time starter win coming off the pace. Normally 1st time starters show tons of speed.

He was a 600k purchase... although the people that breed him own him...

FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:31 pm

hi HR LLC

HR LLC wrote:I'll Show Them was a nice 3YO maiden winner for Smarty Jones today at Hollywood Park. He came from off the pace to win. Its rare to see a 1st time starter win coming off the pace. Normally 1st time starters show tons of speed.

I found the gelding's move to be quite impressive, but it doesn't surprise me to see a 3-year-old in mid-June of his 3-year-old year come from off the pace.

HR LLC wrote:He was a 600k purchase... although the people that breed him own him...

Glen Hill Farm has for years, bred, raised, raced and/or sold some VERY fine horses. Records may indicate their home-bred winner sold at auction, but I don't believe he ever changed hands. Chicago78 might shed some light on the subject.

One thing's for sure, the gelding won impressively in his first-ever start...and Glen Hill has done and continues to do a fine job.

Respectfully

chicago78 · Postby **chicago78** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:20 pm

we hope he can be a nice horse. very crooked but he moves through it pretty well and is a big, strong, confident horse. they completely ran away from him early, which we kind of expected, but he gathered himself up and came running nicely, which was fun to see. if he stays sound, he should win some races.

magic code · Postby **magic code** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:42 pm

I'll Show Them is out of Top Rung - no slouch. (Incidentally, this one is her last reported foal; her previous two foals were by Empire Maker & Point Given. Earlier on, she had foals by Deputy Minister, Kingmambo, and Unbridled. :shock:

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FOS · Postby **FOS** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:35 pm

hi chicago78

chicago78 wrote:we hope (I'll Show Them) can be a nice horse. ...

He appeared to handle himself well, and finished like a potentially VERY nice horse.

chicago78 wrote:very crooked...

Was his front end responsible for delays in getting him to the starting gate sooner?

chicago78 wrote: ...but he moves through it pretty well and is a big, strong, confident horse. ...

He looks like he carries a LOT of flesh.

chicago78 wrote: they completely ran away from him early, which we kind of expected, but he gathered himself up and came running nicely, which was fun to see.

Gotta believe he could handle 7 furlongs; and more likely than not a mile...and possibly beyond.

chicago78 wrote:if he stays sound, he should win some races.

Seems like there's always an "if"

Best.

Respectfully

Elusive City · Postby **Elusive City** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:14 am

while his lack of stakes hosses is not good; Smarty jones offspring this year. What do you think his hosses winning percentage is in North America. 5%? 15%? 20%?

Actually is a nice robust 23% and 50% in the money

Not bad for a "flop" in the breeding shed.

99 starts--23 wins--15 seconds--12 Thirds

EC

Bohemia · Postby **Bohemia** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:46 pm

Yes, but a stallion's success is based on whether those 23 percent winners came in blacktype races, not maidens and claiming contests. Smarty needs to get a stakes horse running in this country soon.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:20 am

I watch alot of races. the majority of the races I see smarty jones babies in are the 10-15k types at philly, lone star, with the occussional MSW race.

considering his stud fee, he is a flop.

Sysonby · Postby **Sysonby** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:58 am

Another Smarty who impressed last time out will probably run shortly at Hollywood. His name is Plasma Beam.

rudydee · Postby **rudydee** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:49 am

bdw is correct. Smarty's offspring are often winning in "maiden events".
In other words, maiden claimers- low level ones at that.
One well bred Smarty colt fianlly broke his maiden after many attempts in a maiden claimer for a tag of 25K going long.
He came back in his next race in a starter allowance for 3 & up that have run for tag of 25K and never won 2 races lifetime.
He got clobbered. One horse, one story but it unfortunately tells the tale of many of Smarty's runners.

Georgerz · Postby **Georgerz** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:20 pm

Had his first graded stakes winner in the USA today, at Churchill Downs.

Bohemia · Postby **Bohemia** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:30 am

Well golly gee, it only took 2 years! He's still dead in the water commercially.

Georgerz · Postby **Georgerz** » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:04 pm

And the same colt repeats at Saratoga.

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:02 am

Too little, too late for Smarty. It rather reminds me of Point Given's fall from grace. $125,000 to $15,000 is a steep, steep fall.

At a glance, it looks like most of his higher earners are running in statebred races.