El Prado mare
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El Prado mare
I think I just bought a broodmare named Rahy Time. It's too late to cover her this year, but looking forward I'm leaning toward All Gone or Honor Glide with Lydgate being my unproven, yet intriguing, third choice. There are also another half a dozen on the short list and I am open to suggestions. This will be a Louisiana bred with "breed to race" as the goal. She didn't do a lot on the track herself with most of her PP's reading "challenged the leaders then tired." I welcome your thoughts or suggestions. Thanks. [/url]
Congratulations.
Knowing nothing about your mare's physical, I would advise you to consider looking to add some dirt into the mix. There's a lot of grass in your mare and much/most of LA bred racing is dirt. Think Delta. Of the three I would eliminate Honor Glide on that basis - even though he is the most appealing generally. I would also throw Erlton into the mix recognizing that he adds dirt, is inexpensive, and typically adds bulk....not sure if your mare needs it but with Rahy below its possible.
Knowing nothing about your mare's physical, I would advise you to consider looking to add some dirt into the mix. There's a lot of grass in your mare and much/most of LA bred racing is dirt. Think Delta. Of the three I would eliminate Honor Glide on that basis - even though he is the most appealing generally. I would also throw Erlton into the mix recognizing that he adds dirt, is inexpensive, and typically adds bulk....not sure if your mare needs it but with Rahy below its possible.
Congrats on the mare. You have to like El Prado on the top side.
A few thoughts
- i would look at Mr. Prospector line stallions as you have Northern Dancer twice in this mare close up. MP cross is the good option.
- are you sure this season is lost? If the mare is in good shape and cycling, I would give serious consideration to breeding her. If she caught before the end of the month you would have an April baby. Even if its not til June, given how some of the May babies have been running you still have a foal and haven't lost that much. If nothing else, and things are done right, the mare has learned a lot and hopefully will be able to get started early the following year. Perhaps you can find a stallion owner that will work with you on this.
- If you would look to Okla. I like Lucky Lionel. He has been consistent over performer and can sire a big horse. Your mare's turf pedigree should be a positive factor as well.
jm
jm
A few thoughts
- i would look at Mr. Prospector line stallions as you have Northern Dancer twice in this mare close up. MP cross is the good option.
- are you sure this season is lost? If the mare is in good shape and cycling, I would give serious consideration to breeding her. If she caught before the end of the month you would have an April baby. Even if its not til June, given how some of the May babies have been running you still have a foal and haven't lost that much. If nothing else, and things are done right, the mare has learned a lot and hopefully will be able to get started early the following year. Perhaps you can find a stallion owner that will work with you on this.
- If you would look to Okla. I like Lucky Lionel. He has been consistent over performer and can sire a big horse. Your mare's turf pedigree should be a positive factor as well.
jm
jm
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Several prior posters have given you the advice I would -
My final two cents - this mare has a decent female family one dam back and seems to go well with the Rahy (as in your mare) and also Broad Brush. Consider sending her to INCLUDE (NY) when your La-bred foal arrives OR CONCERN (OK) OR MONGOOSE (FL).
i would look at Mr. Prospector line stallions as you have Northern Dancer twice in this mare close up. MP cross is the good option.
You have to like El Prado on the top side.
are you sure this season is lost? If the mare is in good shape and cycling, I would give serious consideration to breeding her. If she caught before the end of the month you would have an April baby. Even if its not til June, given how some of the May babies have been running you still have a foal and haven't lost that much. If nothing else, and things are done right, the mare has learned a lot and hopefully will be able to get started early the following year.
I emphasize this latter as though the total number of outs on the turf offered La-breds is less than on the dirt the number/quality of entrants is also much lighter and you have a great chance to get a nice start/maiden out on that surface without all the draws to get on the dirt.Take a look at Ide with you mare and I wouldn't hesitate to get a LA bred turf horse out of her as FG, LAD, and now Evangeline all have turf tracks.
My final two cents - this mare has a decent female family one dam back and seems to go well with the Rahy (as in your mare) and also Broad Brush. Consider sending her to INCLUDE (NY) when your La-bred foal arrives OR CONCERN (OK) OR MONGOOSE (FL).
Thanks for the input.
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i would look at Mr. Prospector line stallions as you have Northern Dancer twice in this mare close up. MP cross is the good option.
I agree which is why Porto Foricos made the short list.
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You have to like El Prado on the top side.
No doubt.
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are you sure this season is lost? If the mare is in good shape and cycling, I would give serious consideration to breeding her. If she caught before the end of the month you would have an April baby. Even if its not til June, given how some of the May babies have been running you still have a foal and haven't lost that much. If nothing else, and things are done right, the mare has learned a lot and hopefully will be able to get started early the following year.
Something to think about.
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Take a look at Ide with you mare and I wouldn't hesitate to get a LA bred turf horse out of her as FG, LAD, and now Evangeline all have turf tracks.i would look at Mr. Prospector line stallions as you have Northern Dancer twice in this mare close up. MP cross is the good option.
Nothing I would like more than a turf horse, hence my considering Honor Glide, and Ide was definitely under consideration for the same reason.
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i would look at Mr. Prospector line stallions as you have Northern Dancer twice in this mare close up. MP cross is the good option.
I agree which is why Porto Foricos made the short list.
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You have to like El Prado on the top side.
No doubt.
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are you sure this season is lost? If the mare is in good shape and cycling, I would give serious consideration to breeding her. If she caught before the end of the month you would have an April baby. Even if its not til June, given how some of the May babies have been running you still have a foal and haven't lost that much. If nothing else, and things are done right, the mare has learned a lot and hopefully will be able to get started early the following year.
Something to think about.
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Take a look at Ide with you mare and I wouldn't hesitate to get a LA bred turf horse out of her as FG, LAD, and now Evangeline all have turf tracks.i would look at Mr. Prospector line stallions as you have Northern Dancer twice in this mare close up. MP cross is the good option.
Nothing I would like more than a turf horse, hence my considering Honor Glide, and Ide was definitely under consideration for the same reason.
Re: My earlier post remark -
Just read elsewhere that MONGOOSE may be leaving US for Peru and was reminded that BEST OF LUCK, another son of BROAD BRUSH at stud, stands in KY. and yet another, Road Rush stands in Louisiana.
BROAD BRUSH himself was just recently euthanized
My final two cents - this mare has a decent female family one dam back and seems to go well with the Rahy (as in your mare) and also Broad Brush. Consider sending her to INCLUDE (NY) when your La-bred foal arrives OR CONCERN (OK) OR MONGOOSE (FL).
Just read elsewhere that MONGOOSE may be leaving US for Peru and was reminded that BEST OF LUCK, another son of BROAD BRUSH at stud, stands in KY. and yet another, Road Rush stands in Louisiana.
BROAD BRUSH himself was just recently euthanized
El Prado nicks
FYI:
Thought you might see what has worked with EP and see if your stallion possibles return any of these strains.
This was purloined directly from the 2007 Thoroughbred Times Stallion Directory.
EP with Runaway Groom mares, 11 fls, 10strs, 6 wnrs, 3SWs (27%)
EP with Great Above mares, 10 fls, 8strs, 6wnrs, 2SWs (20%)
EP with Siver Hawk mares, 5 fls, 5wnrs, 2SWs (40%)
EP with Lear Fan mares,2 fls, 2strs, 2 wnrs, 1SWs (50%)
From the Adena site:
Breeding Recommendations:
As a grandson of Northern Dancer, El Prado has had predictably good success with Mr. Prospector-line mares. Overall, he has sired 15 stakes winners and 12 stakes-placed runners out of mares that show Mr. Prospector within five generations. Much like his sire, Sadler’s Wells, he has had particularly good success with Miswaki, siring a pair of stakes winners out of direct Miswaki daughters and one out of a mare by the Miswaki stallion Black Tie Affair.
Daughters and granddaughters of the other major Raise A Native-line stallion Alydar have gone very well with El Prado. He has sired the Grade 3 winner Chindi with a direct daughter of Alydar and four other stakes winners out of mares by four different Alydar sons: Grade 1 winner Borrego (out of a mare by Strike the Gold), Grade 3 winner Timo (Criminal Type), 2008 Grade 2 winner Wesley (Alysheba) and the multiple graded stakes winner Buffalo Man (Saratoga Six).
El Prado has also had good success with mares from the Blushing Groom broodmare line, especially with daughters of the Blushing Groom son Runaway Groom. The Group 2 winner Spanish Son and the Grade 3 winner Air Rocket are among the eight stakes winners and five additional stakes horses El Prado has sired with Blushing Groom-influenced mares. Air Rocket is one of his three stakes winners out of daughters of Runaway Groom.
Mares from the Damascus line should also be strongly considered for El Prado. He has sired a total of six stakes horses with Damascus-line mares, including one of his best, multiple Grade 1 winner Medaglia D’Oro, out of a mare by the Damascus son Bailjumper. Damascus appears elsewhere in the pedigrees of an additional seven stakes winners/stakes horses sired by El Prado.
El Prado has sired two Grade 1 winners out of granddaughters of Roberto. Eclipse Champion Kitten’s Joy is out of a mare by the Roberto stallion Lear Fan, while Spinster Stakes (G1) winner Asi Siempre is out of a mare by the Roberto son Silver Hawk. With Silver Hawk daughters, El Prado has also sired the stakes winner Ladyburn and the graded-placed runners Port of Silver, Great Hawk and Elysium Fields. El Prado has had success with Kris S. as well, siring the Grade 2 winner Senor Swinger out of a daughter that good Roberto stallion.
El Prado has shown good results with the Rough ‘n Tumble broodmare line, particularly through Great Above. The Grade 3 winners Nite Dreamer and El Cielo are both out of Great Above mares, as is the stakes-placed Mi Luna Nueva. The Rough n’ Tumble line survives primarily through Great Above’s son Holy Bull, but Rough ‘n Tumble is the damsire of In Reality a more prominent influence in today’s mare population. Not surprisingly, El Prado has done well with In Reality-line mares. He has sired a pair of stakes winners with daughters of the In Reality son Proper Reality. In Reality is found elsewhere in the pedigrees of three other El Prado stakes horses and other strains of Rough n’ Tumble are found in an additional five stakes horses.
Damascus line in LA:
Time Bandit and Afternoon Delites
Thought you might see what has worked with EP and see if your stallion possibles return any of these strains.
This was purloined directly from the 2007 Thoroughbred Times Stallion Directory.
EP with Runaway Groom mares, 11 fls, 10strs, 6 wnrs, 3SWs (27%)
EP with Great Above mares, 10 fls, 8strs, 6wnrs, 2SWs (20%)
EP with Siver Hawk mares, 5 fls, 5wnrs, 2SWs (40%)
EP with Lear Fan mares,2 fls, 2strs, 2 wnrs, 1SWs (50%)
From the Adena site:
Breeding Recommendations:
As a grandson of Northern Dancer, El Prado has had predictably good success with Mr. Prospector-line mares. Overall, he has sired 15 stakes winners and 12 stakes-placed runners out of mares that show Mr. Prospector within five generations. Much like his sire, Sadler’s Wells, he has had particularly good success with Miswaki, siring a pair of stakes winners out of direct Miswaki daughters and one out of a mare by the Miswaki stallion Black Tie Affair.
Daughters and granddaughters of the other major Raise A Native-line stallion Alydar have gone very well with El Prado. He has sired the Grade 3 winner Chindi with a direct daughter of Alydar and four other stakes winners out of mares by four different Alydar sons: Grade 1 winner Borrego (out of a mare by Strike the Gold), Grade 3 winner Timo (Criminal Type), 2008 Grade 2 winner Wesley (Alysheba) and the multiple graded stakes winner Buffalo Man (Saratoga Six).
El Prado has also had good success with mares from the Blushing Groom broodmare line, especially with daughters of the Blushing Groom son Runaway Groom. The Group 2 winner Spanish Son and the Grade 3 winner Air Rocket are among the eight stakes winners and five additional stakes horses El Prado has sired with Blushing Groom-influenced mares. Air Rocket is one of his three stakes winners out of daughters of Runaway Groom.
Mares from the Damascus line should also be strongly considered for El Prado. He has sired a total of six stakes horses with Damascus-line mares, including one of his best, multiple Grade 1 winner Medaglia D’Oro, out of a mare by the Damascus son Bailjumper. Damascus appears elsewhere in the pedigrees of an additional seven stakes winners/stakes horses sired by El Prado.
El Prado has sired two Grade 1 winners out of granddaughters of Roberto. Eclipse Champion Kitten’s Joy is out of a mare by the Roberto stallion Lear Fan, while Spinster Stakes (G1) winner Asi Siempre is out of a mare by the Roberto son Silver Hawk. With Silver Hawk daughters, El Prado has also sired the stakes winner Ladyburn and the graded-placed runners Port of Silver, Great Hawk and Elysium Fields. El Prado has had success with Kris S. as well, siring the Grade 2 winner Senor Swinger out of a daughter that good Roberto stallion.
El Prado has shown good results with the Rough ‘n Tumble broodmare line, particularly through Great Above. The Grade 3 winners Nite Dreamer and El Cielo are both out of Great Above mares, as is the stakes-placed Mi Luna Nueva. The Rough n’ Tumble line survives primarily through Great Above’s son Holy Bull, but Rough ‘n Tumble is the damsire of In Reality a more prominent influence in today’s mare population. Not surprisingly, El Prado has done well with In Reality-line mares. He has sired a pair of stakes winners with daughters of the In Reality son Proper Reality. In Reality is found elsewhere in the pedigrees of three other El Prado stakes horses and other strains of Rough n’ Tumble are found in an additional five stakes horses.
Damascus line in LA:
Time Bandit and Afternoon Delites
drsamurai,
I noticed an interesting pedigree pattern when your mare Rahy Time is matched with the stallion Royal Strand, at Elite Thoroughbreds in Louisiana. His dam's grandsire, Thatch, was the full brother to Special, so he adds an additional line of Rough Shod, plus he also brings a cross of Rough Shod's half-sister Jennydang. Very nice.
I noticed an interesting pedigree pattern when your mare Rahy Time is matched with the stallion Royal Strand, at Elite Thoroughbreds in Louisiana. His dam's grandsire, Thatch, was the full brother to Special, so he adds an additional line of Rough Shod, plus he also brings a cross of Rough Shod's half-sister Jennydang. Very nice.