Issue of Gold for sale?

[Skipitgirl]

Simple if you are hung up on height. Several years ago a AQHA breeder contacted me about a 17.1 hand TB mare I had for sale. She wanted a video of me measuring her on concrete with a stick.. I was happy to do it. The mare measured 17.1 1/2 and she bought her. If you are doing a sale video, why not take the extra couple minutes to show the horse being measured. Helps alot!

[Jorge]

She wanted a video of me measuring her on concrete with a stick.........

.....and without "elevation" shoes, so to speak!!!

[SpecialEffects]

I know people that have come to see my horses have described them as "huge". Most are in the 16.1 range. To me that's "normal". My little QH/Morgan cross is a midget (14.3) and the same people think she's the "normal" one. So it's all relative.

Madison (Colour Conspiracy) was said to be to be 17 or 17.1 by her owner. Now they deal mainly with Paints and QH's so yeah Madison is big over at their place. But when she arrived here, I thought 'no way' and sticked her - 16.2 and a bit. No where near 17.1.

And THEN Mother Nature goes and plays with your mind anyway. Beyond Blonde is out of a 15.3 mare and GG (16.1). His owner claims he's 16.2 or 3 as a 3 year old. I have asked for him to be sticked, but if true..... how the heck did that happen?? As mentioned, as long as people are honest (I only eyeballed him and I think he's -- or yes I saw him being measured on level ground and he IS --) then the rest is all personal preference with a bit of gambling thrown in for fun.

[Derby Lyn]

I love Pegasus Pure Gold. Is he related to Issue of Gold at all? He seems like a decent height from his pictures. I also like GPs Krugerrand, I do own a few of his babies and he seems to add height to his foals.

I agree Specialeffects...people say my horses are huge at 15.3 and sware that they are 17h. I measured myself at 15.3h, so when I go to look at a horse I have a better idea on their height.

[KBEquine]

I love Pegasus Pure Gold. Is he related to Issue of Gold at all? He seems like a decent height from his pictures.

Yes - he is one of Issue of Gold's grandsons.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/pegasus+pure+gold

The only time I saw him, he was maybe a 3 y.o., so I don't remember his height (we were actually there to see a different stallion, so I wasn't paying nearly enough attention!)

[Derby Lyn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKJufQxOuT4

Here is a video of PPG. More of them are on youtube.

[radrider]

Just looking at the Glenhill Farm website, the farm that is offering Annie's Gold Charm for sale. They breed mainly warmbloods it looks like so that's probably why she's for sale because she's too small. Also Pegasus Pure Gold is a fabulous horse, his movement is awesome and there are some videos out there of him that really showcase his versatility

[RiddleMeThis]

And THEN Mother Nature goes and plays with your mind anyway. Beyond Blonde is out of a 15.3 mare and GG (16.1). His owner claims he's 16.2 or 3 as a 3 year old. I have asked for him to be sticked, but if true..... how the heck did that happen??

I believe GG throws large horse.

Puchi Trap is only 16.1 and Faux Finish is over 17 hands. And I believe the other siblings are very tall, or looking to be very tall as well.

[Squishy]

I have a question why is there so much emphasis being placed on a horses height instead of their show record, and their foals show records.

Coming from an actual competitive rider I am not as much concerned with the horses height but with their conformation. I have a 15.3 mare that looks like a warmblood and I compete her in dressage and endurance. I also have a bigger mare that is not as thick but taller I compete and both do very well.

I found that thicker build horses will appear bigger then the leaner horses. I also know alot of people who compete that feel the same way about the size not being as big of an issue as movement, conformation and what the family has achieved and then the horses color.

[color]

That Annie Gold Charm has a horrid shoulder that is so straight that she cannot move and that is what is not needed to breed on!

[TrueColours]

Just looking at the Glenhill Farm website, the farm that is offering Annie's Gold Charm for sale. They breed mainly warmbloods it looks like so that's probably why she's for sale because she's too small

The main problem is when a non horsey husband buys a youngster from the breeder and is told things that are not correct, no - the animal then does NOT end up being remotely suitable for the purpose at hand. Which is breeding conformationally correct hunters that will be competitive in the Hunter Breeding ring and mature to +16hh. Being small has diddley squat to do with it. She is NOT the type or the look that is suitable for the purpose she was supposed to be purchased for

Lets put it this way. If ANYONE (and that isnt just non horsey husbands) contacted me on one of my youngsters and said they were looking for an upper level dressage prospect for their wife as a surprise, you know something? As much as I'd love to make the sale, I would tell him mine are NOT the babies he wants to look to buy for his wife and I would put him in contact with someone who does breed those types of babies that could possibly assist him

I have a question why is there so much emphasis being placed on a horses height instead of their show record, and their foals show records.

There isnt Squishy. Some people only want 15.3-16hh horses. But if the breeder is stating a mature height of 16.2hh+ to the uniformed husband, you get a little upset if that turns out to be 15.1 or 15.2hh instead ...

Anyone can accept 16.1 instead of 16.2 but when there is such a huge disparity in not only this filly but in many many others that were purported to achieve the same mature height and havent even come close, you then have to really really wonder ...

And show record? In this case its non existent in the sire and the filly won once as a baby and thats it. She then finished 2nd out of 2 in the only class she was shown in on the West Coast

I also know alot of people who compete that feel the same way about the size not being as big of an issue as movement, conformation and what the family has achieved and then the horses color.

Couldnt agree more ...

This filly has NO movement, questionable conformation, no jumping ability (from the seller's ad), and is by an unbroke, unridden, unshown, un-presented sire. So literally the ONLY thing she appears to have going for her IS colour

Some 15.3hh horses ride a lot bigger than a narrower 16.1hh horse. No one is questionning that aspect - its the fact that the buyers werent told all of this before they made the decision to buy her in the first place ...

I believe GG throws large horse.

Puchi Trap is only 16.1 and Faux Finish is over 17 hands. And I believe the other siblings are very tall, or looking to be very tall as well.

That he does ...

GG is 16.1hh and Puchi Trap is also 16.1hh. Faux Finish is actually UNDER 17hh the last time she was measured, but is somewhere inbetween 16.3-17hh or maybe HAS hit 17hh in the last few months ...

The Remember My Name colt turned 2 in June 2009. He is 16.1hh now so he should also reach that 16.2-17hh mature height range as well

So - based on what I am seeing with my own GG babies and what clients are telling me about their's, I can quite confidently state to future buyers that this baby *should* achieve a mature height of 16-16.2hh based on its leg length and build as a baby, and on past history from the sire and/or dam

Now - in all fairness, once Remember My Name starts breeding, we can "guesstimate" that based on his mature height of lets say 16.3hh, and the sire's propensity of throwing taller babies, and the dam's height of, lets say 16hh, we anticipate that those Remember My Name babies *should* hit that 16-17hh range at maturity and maybe after 3 foals crops all of them will be 15hh midgets and we'll have to revise that, or they may all hit +17hh and we may have to tell people that he throws REALLY tall offspring, but in the cases of mature, established stallions like GG or Zillionair - the mold has pretty well been set already and the Stallion Owners should be able to reliably forecast what buyers can expect from the foals they buy from them. And it stinks if/when they are not told the truth before they lay down their money and make the purchase ...

[helen in FL]

Height is important in mainly ONE discipline: Hunters. Suitability of horse to rider counts. So if my 5'9" frame is riding my 15.2h mare in a class against a 5'10" lady riding her 17.1h mare, even if we both put in spectacular rounds, the woman would win over me as her and her horse are better suited. I could show a pony in Dressage and not think twice. Hunters is definitely the beauty contest of all the disciplines where conformation as well as movement can determine how you place.

[Derby Lyn]

I prefer a 15.3-16h horse myself. But when I am selling a horse I have always found it easier to sell something over 16h. The ones under 16h tend to sit a little longer. Height is almost always a question that is asked when a potential buyer contacts me.

[Sysonby]

Height is important in mainly ONE discipline: Hunters. Suitability of horse to rider counts. So if my 5'9" frame is riding my 15.2h mare in a class against a 5'10" lady riding her 17.1h mare, even if we both put in spectacular rounds, the woman would win over me as her and her horse are better suited. I could show a pony in Dressage and not think twice. Hunters is definitely the beauty contest of all the disciplines where conformation as well as movement can determine how you place.

Unless you are in a pony class (which I don't even know exists in dressage) the perception is that small horses aren't scored as well. That's why Lendon Gray made such a splash with Seldom Seen but that's not who she rode in the Olympics. Kudos to Gray and Hilda Gurney in trying to dispel the prejudice against small size and non Warmblood breeding that exists in dressage but it definitely still is there which is why even some training level riders seem to think they need a 17h Westphalian when they would be better off riding a 15.3h Thoroughbred.

[HeadlessHorseman]

My Little Girl is pushing 16.2....I took her measurements when she was a yearling and she was suppose to be 16.1.5 and that's WHERE she is RIGHT NOW!!....I like her height....I have 2 mares that are 15.3 and are lovely movers and lovely to look at.. It doesn't bother me that they are NOT over 16 hands...

15.3 is CLOSER to the ground than 17 is...

HH