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Postby Toccet02 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:33 pm

Gee...dirt is looking great right about now.
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Postby karenkarenn » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:34 pm

IM like :shock: :!:

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Postby Tucumcari » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:16 pm

Karen, I've been saying it for years... And it is extremely dicey for Solis to hit the ground with the pins and all. Who knows which hit is the last.
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Postby Indychase » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:51 pm

karenkarenn wrote:http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/52047/solis-gryder-apparently-ok-after-breakdown?id=52047&source=rss

HOLY COW! two more!


Since the one horse was injured in colliding with the other, it's hardly fair to call this 'two more'. It was one incident.

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Postby RandomThoughts » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:54 pm

The synthetic tracks have been in for a few years now and what is happening in California is no surprise. Babies that are trained over soft surfaces never get the skeletal development that they need before competing at racing speeds.
Doctors Nunamaker/Fisher and a few others successfully explored this issue more than a decade ago and it continues to be ignored by impatient and unknowing trainers and owners.
I have raised and raced six this decade, that were produced from two mares that I claimed for a total of $35K. Five are MSW winners, two brought six figure offers from agents, and one is well up the list on the Experimental Handicap. The last is a bit green yet but perfectly sound. I also rarely truly breeze a horse between races.
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Postby louis finochio » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:45 am

U must build the foundation before u build the house, Endless Moon was another Fashion Bred that inherited the same Inbreeding Patterns of those tbs that sustained those same career ending injuries. These hap hazzard matings are going to be the cause of many people to become injured, yet alone those tbs.
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Postby Sylvie Hebert » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:20 am

anybody read"racehorses at risk".published a while ago now but this was an in-depth study(with autopsy and more)of all breakdowns in New york...very interesting and discart the surface as being the culprit...
The sport and industry survive not only because of the champions that are remembered forever but also because of the losers that are so easy to forget...

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Postby Sylvie Hebert » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:23 am

and 'random though' you are right you should train on the same surface or similar to the one you will race on or ideally on a variety of surface and progressively...babies trained on deep ocala sand tracks and run on hard or simply very different surfaces will break down no doubts...
The sport and industry survive not only because of the champions that are remembered forever but also because of the losers that are so easy to forget...

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Postby Sysonby » Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:58 am

AFAIK, there is no synthetic training track in California. Babies are broken and train on dirt exclusively out here. The Barretts sales are at Fairplex on the dirt. The only synthetic tracks right now are Hollywood, Golden Gate and Santa Anita and for economic reasons young horses are only shipped in when they are 4-6 weeks out from a race.

So in terms of early development and training, nothing has really changed with the advent of these tracks.

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Postby louis finochio » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:33 am

I have talked to those gallop boys across the pond & they told me they train on those artifical surfaces all year, but they dont train & run on the same surface like we do here.
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Postby louis finochio » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:39 am

Trainer Peter Miller is stabled at San Luis Rey dirt track, then runs his tbs on the synthetic tracks in So. Cal. His tbs dont have any problems winning as he wins more than his share of races. Congrats Peter.
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