So thoughts.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:46 pm

Small ish race track
horse breaks down
controversial trainer decides he is going to remove horse body from the grounds and bury on his property
he is told that the body is to undergo necropsy as required by the powers that be.
trainer removes body even though he is not "allowed" to remove body.
Does this make trainer look clean as the morning sun or kinda shady? WWYD?

zinn21 · Postby **zinn21** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:24 pm

Hmm. On the surface it looks like an attempted cover up but without knowing the exact details and circumstances I would be hard pressed to draw any conclusion.

photofinish · Postby **photofinish** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:28 pm

Hmmmm....somebody has NM contacts!! :wink:

You forgot to add that said horse has not raced in over 12 months, was scratched in the post parade 2 weeks ago, and broke down 3f in to a 7 1/2f race....

Lots of iffy stuff happening out here with a select handful of individuals. Said trainer hadn't won a race in over a year until the last 6 weeks and is a close neighbor to one of the iffiest barns at a private training center.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :wink:

majxmom · Postby **majxmom** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:17 pm

This reminds me of Michael Gill's horse that had the leg amputated by his private vet.

ageecee · Postby **ageecee** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:10 am

Just give us the details to who it is and what trach photofinish,

Tuc-Very shadyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

dray33 · Postby **dray33** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:22 am

Put that all together and it does look suspect. What are the authorities doing at this track?

wilf · Postby **wilf** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:41 am

This awful hi-jinks would be funny except for the fact that it's not and what in the world is to be gotten from running an unfit cripple anyway? This stuff goes on more often than we will ever know. Not only does the Michael Gill mess come to mind < the man who whined his way to an eclipse award>, but not so long ago a lovely horse died after it's heart rate skyrocketed and it died in the stall. Those symptoms were eerily like an overdose of Ventipulmin and the horse was quickly "Cremated", very odd. I think it was "The Go Between" which was a damn shame and an autopsy may have been very useful to vet science. The Veterinary profession are complicit in many cases of dodgy racing meds,I mean how many trainers have degrees in Pharmacology? However I digress.

photofinish · Postby **photofinish** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:55 pm

Actually, the only suspicious thing is the sudden (last 6 weeks) winning of a couple by the trainer and his proximity to one of the majorly suspect barns at a private facility. Take those two things out of the equation and I would have believed 100% it was plain ignorance. I have seen this trainer lope/jog a head-bobbing lame horse past me on the rail and grin a "Good Morning!!! Boy he's feelin' GOOD today" at me :roll:

.... Normally I would blame this on NM's seemingly easy trainers' exam, but this dude came here from CA with his license... They are s'posed to be tough over there. So I have no idea what Cracker Jack box he got his lic. from.

The lady with the horse was bawling her eyes out and the trainer got pretty ignorant w/ an over worked track crew about the location of his "tack" (bridle). It was the last day of the meet and the AllAmerican Futurity drew a record crowd of over 23,000 (17.000 were expected). I guess the gate crew had pulled the bridle instead of the horse ambulance crew. Trainer came very close to getting decked by a few staff...

photofinish · Postby **photofinish** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:00 pm

dray33 wrote:Put that all together and it does look suspect. What are the authorities doing at this track?

10 bucks says they won;t do much. May fine him a couple hundred, may not.

They should have plenty of money to police this kind of stuff from all the slots revenue, but they never seem to have any money. They spend 30% as much on testing as the midwest tracks I used to run at (with no slots). My only guess is that the racing commissioners must have appointed themselves hefty salaries, nowhere else to account for the continual lack of funding that is cited for not investigating alot of shady goings on.

spex4me · Postby **spex4me** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:57 pm

way more than suspicious or suspect. not to mention horrid on about 100 levels. Guess I can scratch NM off my places to check out list.....

photofinish · Postby **photofinish** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:02 pm

spex4me wrote:way more than suspicious or suspect. not to mention horrid on about 100 levels. Guess I can scratch NM off my places to check out list.....

Nowhere is perfect, but forunately (while this case was a TB) 90% of the shady guys are QH guys. The QH guys whoa re pulling fast ones were noticibly absent from the All American Trials, too. Think thye knew there would be ramped up testing for the big races. The guy w/ the TB in question has about 4 horses. I'm not 100% his inherent ignorance, still, was not the primary driver behind both the breakdown and the subsequent goings on. *shrugs*

ageecee · Postby **ageecee** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:29 pm

Photo,

Just give the guys name dont beat around the bush. if you cant name him/her dont talk about it.

majxmom · Postby **majxmom** » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:46 pm

I use my enhanced investigational skills and conclude that the horse in question was Tri Set Slew, trained by Danny Fleeman. He broke down in the sixth race on Sept 7th.

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart/pd ... 09USA6.pdf

going4stamina · Postby **going4stamina** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:30 pm

How about...attempted manslaughter charge for every jockey in the race that could have been killed? An animal cruelty charge for the dead horse, and meet him behind the barn on a dark night for a serious flogging?

I hate this stuff that puts this sport under such a negative light, but I hate the death and pain of a horse and the potential harm to human life the most.

Tucumcari · Postby **Tucumcari** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:38 pm

majxmom wrote:This reminds me of Michael Gill's horse that had the leg amputated by his private vet.

Exactly! Guy is crooked no matter which way you slice, dice or defend. Who cares how many months off the horse had. They guy isn't just trying to hide a leg ala Gill.. he's oddly trying to hide a whole body????? It is strange to me.