Anyone know this palomino mare?

Derby Lyn · Postby **Derby Lyn** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:08 pm

http://www.pedigreequery.com/mcclurs+supreme+empress
All breed says she is not JC registered. Also wondering about Intents Two bits.

Derby Lyn · Postby **Derby Lyn** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:10 pm

Looking further I see that Lucky Two Bits http://www.pedigreequery.com/lucky+two+bits is the dam of Glitter Please. What happened to his siblings?

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:42 pm

According to the following link:

http://www.superiorhorse.net/iris.html

this palomino mare produced a palomino half-Thoroughbred mare named IRISSARI.

Derby Lyn · Postby **Derby Lyn** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:17 pm

Jorge...that is one of my mares...that is why I was inquiring

The mare is registered half Trakhener verfied by DNA, but ATA does not have her dams info on file.

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:01 am

I've wondered what happened to the siblings of Glitter Please too. However the existence of your mare is pretty good proof that Glitter Please was not sired by a "fence jumper" . And that the color did come down from Lucky Two Bits.

By the way there's a notation on her entry in the database that her parentage is unknown, since neither of her parents carried the cream gene. Interesting statement from the unknown poster, I'd sure like to know how the testing was done on horses from the 70-80's.

What I'm seeing now that there are more known dilute TB's, is that some of them run very dark. And if you look at pictures of Donna's lovely smokey black mare, she sure looks dark bay.

I suspect that while the frequency of the cream gene is not high in the TB gene pool, it has been there all along. Just selected against very strongly. Because everyone "knows" that TB's don't come in palomino, or white, or spotted.

If you go and read the history of Glitter Please, it is pretty clear that once he shed out his foal coat, and it was clear he was going to be a golden palomino, he was diverted from a racing career, and sold as a sport horse.

Derby Lyn · Postby **Derby Lyn** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:23 am

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quote="xfactor fan"] However the existence of your mare is pretty good proof that Glitter Please was not sired by a "fence jumper" . And that the color did come down from Lucky Two Bits.

That is a really good point. I didn't think of it that way. Since it is a known fact through DNA that my mares sire is who he is, then she would have to get her palomino color through her dam. Is Intent Two Bits registered with the JC or not? Allbreed says no. My mare is registered as half ATA b/c her dams DNA is not on file with them.

It would be interesting to know who the breeder and owner is of Intent Two Bits, or Lucky Two Bits and see what they have to say.

Two of my buckskins are dark brown looking and could easily pass for dark bays, except for the mask on their face that gives them away. My other buckskin is a light color and can't be mistaken for anything but buckskin.
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xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:11 am

According to Equineline.com both Lucky Two Bits, and Intents Two Bits both raced, so they must have been registered. Both are also listed as being light bay.

MCCLURS SUPREME EMPRESS doesn't come up in equineline database, so she may not have been registered. Perhaps once she shed out palomino, the owners decided not to bother with trying to get the paperwork through the Jockey Club.

Breeders of Intents Two Bits again according to equineline was Cunningham, Biggs, and Beth of KY.

You might want to check out equineline.com they've added a few free features like 5 generation pedigrees. However they charge for a number of other reports.

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:30 am

Beth Cunningham of KY is listed as the breeder of Gold Plated, a son of Lemon Bits, one of the palomino daughters of Lucky Two Bits. Gold Plated was foaled in 1995, so he might still be around.

And Lil' bit of Honey a mare foaled in 2001 also bred by Beth Cunningham should till be around.

BlazingColours · Postby **BlazingColours** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:41 am

interesting...

Derby Lyn · Postby **Derby Lyn** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:36 pm

A friend of mine SWARES that her sister has a palomino thoroughbred. Both of them are into racing. Her sister gelded the horse and uses him as a pony horse. I will ask her his name next time I talk to her.

Wonder if we can find out more about these horses. They have to be somewhere, or someone should know something about them.

xfactor fan · Postby **xfactor fan** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:44 pm

It looks like Beth Cunningham has been keeping the strain alive for 20+ years. She would probably welcome some interest in her golden horses.

Is there a way of tracking a address down from the Jockey Club?