Rahy - Dead or Pensioned?

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:13 pm

Cannot find him listed on the Thoroughbred Times or the Stallion Register?

Anyone any info?

Lucy · Postby **Lucy** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:14 pm

He has been pensioned.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:15 pm

Pensioned.
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/scot/arc ... sires.aspx

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:42 pm

I was thinking who would have thought that Rahy would leave no proven sons and it would be Runaway Groom who would continue the sire line?

Unfortunately, only 2 KY based Cherokee Runs remain. Hope one of the Cherokee Run lines can survive so we don't lose that Blushing Groom tail male.....

ASB · Postby **ASB** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:08 pm

To be fair, there's a few unproven Rahy sons at stud like Lewis Michael and Noverre and Fantastic Light have been decent enough.

Cherokee Run's best, so far, has been Yonaguska. I do think both War Pass and especially Zanjero could prove to be successful. And Kafwain is underrated, in my opinion.

Leroidesanimaux is getting some good runners. Imagine the surprise if in a few years the most viable Blushing Groom line is thru a son of Candy Stripes!

The thing that surprises me with Rahy is that not many of his sons have had a chance to stand stud with decent credentials. So I'm not sure there's been any real failures.

dublino · Postby **dublino** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:50 pm

pokeyman wrote:I was thinking who would have thought that Rahy would leave no proven sons and it would be Runaway Groom who would continue the sire line?

Unfortunately, only 2 KY based Cherokee Runs remain. Hope one of the Cherokee Run lines can survive so we don't lose that Blushing Groom tail male.....

Thanks Madelyn, jaysus that was in July - age is starting to catch up with me! :oops:

Same could have been said for Seattle Slew until A.P. Indy came along..........

Lets hope Lewis Michael gets off to a flier at stud.

sparta · Postby **sparta** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:04 am

Don't forget Invasor. The weanlings that I've seen are very good-looking; he's stamping his foals as well, I think.

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:26 pm

Good comments, all.

Yeah, I didn't forget about Candy Ride. I was just saying that between Rahy and Runaway Groom everyone would have pegged Rahy as the potential sire of sires. He had the better pedigree; stronger family; looked like Blushing Groom; etc.

Runaway Groom was thought so little of that he didn't even start out in KY and had a very modest fee. In fact, I believe he was one of the most underrrated stallions in the country ......even up until his death.

Rahy has had PLENTY of chances to have an excellent son at stud and has failed. No son of his has even come close to his numbers out of hundreds of foals. They might be decent (though I can't think of any) but they are not in their father's class.

Whereas, I think Cherokee Run has proven to be as solid as his sire- numbers wise.

Thus, I wouldn't hold my breathe for Lewis Michael or Purim (by Dynaformer) for the same reasons mentioned.

I can't see it happening.

Likewise, Seattle Slew had a lot more credible stallion sons (of course, A P Indy is his best...but I think he is overrated and he has never improved his mares like Danzig and Mr. Prospector) than Rahy. I mean Slew O Gold, Slew City Slew, Capote, General Meeting, Doneraile Court, etc.

I wrote in another post that it's ironic that the outcross stallions do not have a sons to carry on the sire line:

Dynafomer
Lear Fan
Cozzene (alphabet soup is average and Mizzen Mast is yet to be seen due to the support of Juddmonte mares)
Rahy
Lord Avie
Bates Motel

ASB · Postby **ASB** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:04 pm

pokeyman wrote:Rahy has had PLENTY of chances to have an excellent son at stud and has failed. No son of his has even come close to his numbers out of hundreds of foals. They might be decent (though I can't think of any) but they are not in their father's class.

Noverre is better than decent and a great breed to race value and Fantastic Light can get a decent horse. The problem is, they stand in Europe.

As of right now, Lewis Michael is the only son in the US that has any type of decent credentials. Bop was ostricized because of his size.

If you know of Rahy sons who had decent race records that went to stud and failed I'd love to know. I'm certainly not aware of them.

The problem Rahy had is most his best sons were geldings. Grass World, Hawksley Hill, Early Pioneer, Designed for Luck, T.D. Vance, etc were all gelded. I think partly because he was viewed as a "filly sire" for most his career. That hurt him getting a son to stud. Many of those gelded came from terrific families.

So of the sons who actually had talent and went to stud, he's not been a bad sire of sires. Stateside, Lewis Michael truly has been his only real shot.

Now I did know someone who was trying to get Rio de la Plata from Godolphin and was interested in importing him to the States. I'm not sure if they've started talks yet or they're still looking at other stallions, but he was high on their list. He comes from a great South American female family and is free of both Northern Dancer and Mr. Prospector.

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:02 am

Asb...good post.

I guess I was under the impression that neither Fantastic Light nor Noverre improved their mares. It's easier to hit a few home runs if you are breeding a fantastic book of mares. Isn't Noverre in India? I thought he has only sired 3 stakes winners. Isn't Fantastic Light standing in Japan now?

Rahy, on the other hand, always improved his mares. To me, that is the mark of a great stallion!!

I wouldn't hold my breathe for Lewis Michael. Yes, he is from the family of Kitten's Joy who has had a good start at stud. But...he is also from the family of Down The Aisle and Spectacular Bid-not exactly super sires.

I hope you are wrong. Rahy was my favorite stallion in this country but I think his legacy will be his daughters.....

ASB · Postby **ASB** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:04 am

Noverre is in India. There was some talk of bringing him back to Europe after he went on a rash of stakes winners including Le Havre, who won the French Derby (Prix De Jockey Club G1).

oliverstoned · Postby **oliverstoned** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:47 pm

Thanks ASB for setting the record straight, for what its worth Bop is not doing too badly in the hinterlands from what I can tell.

pokeyman · Postby **pokeyman** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:02 pm

oliverstoned wrote:Thanks ASB for setting the record straight, for what its worth Bop is not doing too badly in the hinterlands from what I can tell.

Yeah, in the restricted race region of West Virginia!! So, if you want to run in west virginia restricted races only than he would be a good bet for that Region but otherwise....

Could he succeed in Ky?????

oliverstoned · Postby **oliverstoned** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:23 pm

pokeyman wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:Thanks ASB for setting the record straight, for what its worth Bop is not doing too badly in the hinterlands from what I can tell.

Yeah, in the restricted race region of West Virginia!! So, if you want to run in west virginia restricted races only than he would be a good bet for that Region but otherwise....

Could he succeed in Ky?????

Don't know, do you? You would think he'd get a better mares in Ky. The only point I was trying to make was Bop is doing pretty good regionally, and there's plenty of stallions that fail in lucrative regional markets.