Palomino and Chestnut

[xfactor fan]

Here's a question for all you folks breeding palomino TB's. I read that to get that lovely golden shade of palomino, the best plan is to breed your cream gene horse to a very red chestnut. That using liver chestnuts gives a duller shade. Other writers think that this is nonsense, that the shade of chestnut makes no difference.

Soooo.... What's your hands on experience with this?

[reedhill]

I am not sure on this. Our very dark golden paly "Patriot" bred to 3 non liver chestnuts produced light palys at birth, but I do think there's a chance we won't really know their true color until they shed off in their yearling year.

[Jorge]

This is an opinion: I would use a lighter chestnut with white markings (white socks).

[summerhorse]

I don't think anything like that has been scientifically proven however I would think that if a darker palomino was wanted then starting with a darker base coat would be preferred. So I would avoid the very light chestnuts as diluting those "may" produce a lighter (i.e. isabella) color palomino. I'd also stay away from those that tend to fade a lot in the sun which can also end up a light palomino (a la Cloud).

[Derby Lyn]

Why don't we list the palominos that we have, and the color and shades of their sire and dams.

1. Maid of Gold: dam is white, sire is cremello (so not real sure about the shades here!) Maid of Gold is a lighter shade of palomino [img][img]http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/arcticcielo/jasmine-1.jpg[/img][/img]

2. Golden Cloud: dam is cremello, sire is Minister General, [img][img]http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/arcticcielo/ministergeneral.png[/img][/img]
Golden Cloud is a darker palomino: [img][img]http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/arcticcielo/trigger2.jpg[/img][/img]

Will work on others later. Same with the buckskins. I had a gelding that was very dark, and his dam was a dark bay.

[accphotography]

Is Maid of Gold out of Artic Squaw and by GG? GG tends to produce paler types and is very pale himself so I suspect he has a very light base.

[reedhill]

We have a liver chesnut mare A DIXIE SOLO who had a very good palomino appendix QH filly before we bought her who was a medium paly as a shed out yearling. I would think the more bay or black behind the chestnut dam would help darken the palomino color on the foal, but that is my simplistic opinion only.

[Derby Lyn]

ACC-yes that is Maid of Gold T B. I am not sure what base color Artic Squaw is.

A little off topic: there are 2 Artic Squaw's in the database. The other mare (not the dam of Maid of Gold) is by Buckskin. http://www.pedigreequery.com/artic+squaw2
Any idea what color these horses were?

[RiddleMeThis]

I would think the more bay or black behind the chestnut dam would help darken the palomino color on the foal, but that is my simplistic opinion only.

Having bay or black behind the chestnut won't effect base color at all. I cant even think of a reason why it WOULD effect the color.

[reedhill]

I would think the more bay or black behind the chestnut dam would help darken the palomino color on the foal, but that is my simplistic opinion only.

Having bay or black behind the chestnut won't effect base color at all. I cant even think of a reason why it WOULD effect the color.

I was giving my opinion to the OP's question.

[Truly]

It would interesting to hear what the Quarter horse breeders think on this theory...I don't think we TB's breeders have been doing it long enough to figure it out...it's my first year with pally's so I haven't got a clue lol

My bay TB mare Sheezacista aka Cassie did produce the best colour paly for me though..Goldie really is deep golden with a metalic sheen
Cassie is quite reddish in her bay..her dam was not really a red chesnut but more liver depending on time of year.
With a cremello you can't tell what shade of Chesnut they are underneath anyway.
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