Cremello TB sire BILLIONAIR passed (R. I. P. 1998 - 2009)

reedhill · Postby **reedhill** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:56 pm

http://www.canyoncreekequine.com/id96.html

Poor Billionair, I hope you didn't suffer!
You created a beautiful Son in RED WHITE N GOLD!

HeadlessHorseman · Postby **HeadlessHorseman** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:19 pm

90%....WOW...POOR THING....

I'm glad he was already UNDER when they found it....so he was just sleeping....I HAVE TO THINK THAT....

HH :cry:

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:28 pm

Sad news and circumstances. Very sorry for the loss.
Interesting crossess:

BILLIONAIR (Cremello h. 1998, by Issue of Gold [pal] out of Queen Debonair [pal])
http://www.pedigreequery.com/billionair

ZILLIONAIR (Cremello h. 1999, by Issue of Gold [pal] out of Queen Debonair [pal])
http://www.pedigreequery.com/zillionair

LUCKY MILLIONAIR (Palomino g. 2001, by Issue of Gold [pal] out of Queen Debonair [pal]) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lucky+millionair (Why a gelding?)

MISPLACED GOLD (Chestnut f. 2003, by Issue of Gold [pal] out of Queen Debonair [pal]) http://www.pedigreequery.com/misplaced+gold (A normal chestnut)

SNOWY RIVER (Palomino h. 2004, by Issue of Gold [pal] out of Queen Debonair [pal])
http://www.pedigreequery.com/snowy+river6 (Initially named Trillionair)

HIDEN GOLD MYSTERY (Chestnut f. 2005, by Issue of Gold [pal] out of Queen Debonair [pal]) http://www.pedigreequery.com/hiden+gold+mystery (A normal chestnut)

WHITE CHARDONNAY (White f. 2008, by Pure White Gold [wh] out of Queen Debonair [pal]) http://www.pedigreequery.com/white+chardonnay (no picture on this one)

WHITE GOLDENAIR (White f. 2009, by Pure White Gold [wh] out of Queen Debonair [pal]) http://www.pedigreequery.com/white+goldenair

HeadlessHorseman · Postby **HeadlessHorseman** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:20 pm

Looks like Queen Debonair is a BUSY BEE!!!!

Jorge...you da culla man

HH :lol:

reedhill · Postby **reedhill** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:28 pm

She has been a star mare for Norsire that is for sure!

spacely · Postby **spacely** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:41 pm

WHITE CHARDONNAY (White f. 2008, by Pure White Gold [wh] out of Queen Debonair [pal]) http://www.pedigreequery.com/white+chardonnay (no picture on this one)

Posted on COTH last year. :shock:

Deb was sold (read dumped) by Nosire last year.

reedhill · Postby **reedhill** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:01 pm

That's pretty harsh spacely, and out of line on this post after someone's stallion dies. Do you have any tact what so ever? If not, keep it at the Chronicle, folks here aren't like that, and if they are, they should with hold commenting. :idea:

Derby Lyn · Postby **Derby Lyn** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:03 pm

So sorry to hear about your loss :cry:

Many Hugs! Best wishes.

Fair Play · Postby **Fair Play** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:04 pm

My condolences to his connections. How sad to lose a horse in his prime.

spacely · Postby **spacely** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:08 pm

Reedhill, it's the truth. However, I edited my post but am leaving the picture in response to Jorge's post.

reedhill · Postby **reedhill** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:12 pm

Well I don't think it's an issue of her stallions doing any wrong, they are innocent. Many other variables do have to come into play and maybe that's what your speakiing of.

As breeders we all do programs very differently that is for sure. But if it weren't for me seeing Painted Desert's horses and Norsire's years ago, I would not have been so inspired to try our hand at creating some pretty special TB's.

BlazingColours · Postby **BlazingColours** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:08 am

I too hope he was not in much pain with something that *big* inside him. <RIP>

Not defending but I could find pictures of most all stallions offspring where they look less than sporthorse like. I am not a fan of Norsires breeding at all, but many yearlings who are spooked and/or put their head way up in the air are going to look gangly at best. Get the horse to relax and stretch the neck down and out, then grow into it's yak like body (that many young horses have) it could be a much different picture. I am just sayin... And again I am not a fan of Norsires breeding (inbreeding) and have no connection to the filly in this picture.

accphotography · Postby **accphotography** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:39 am

I just can't imagine not seeing symptoms of something like that LONG before it got that big. How sad.

Jessi P · Postby **Jessi P** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:40 am

Well, Lost in The Fog ran (and won) with a large cancerous tumor in his abdomen. Cant recall details off top of my head regarding size but my memory seems to recall that it was pretty damn large.

Jessi P · Postby **Jessi P** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:45 am

I forgot to say RIP Billionair. Its always so sad to lose one.

And just another comment - I have not paid close attention to Norsire's breeding program but I have NO PROBLEM with a breeder culling a foal that does not reach some sort of standard. Not every foal of every stallion is going to be a genetic goldmine, color of the month or otherwise. I would have an issue with someone who decided every single colt had stallion potential and every filly was worth breeding on. When I read that a breeder gelded a foal my first thought is "Thats a responsible breeder" not "OMG whats wrong with THAT particular one."

Again, I have no dog in this fight, but I DO like to see breeders being somewhat picky about their stock, esp when it comes to gelding and culling when necessary.