Ouch! Smarty Jones 10k fee in 2010

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Postby Elusive City » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:02 am

Cryptic Ninja wrote: If he has a chance of being a success at stud in another country, isn't that better than staying home being a dismal failure.


Little early to be calling smarty a "dismal failure"

He is sitting right now at #17 on the General sire list

Lifetime winning pecentage is 18% for his starters.

He's got a Kentucky Derby Contender in Backtalk.

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Postby Bohemia » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:37 pm

Smarty should be in the Kentucky Horse Park with Cigar.
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Postby FOS » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:21 pm

hi Elusive City

Elusive City wrote: ... Little early to be calling smarty (Jones) a "dismal failure" ...

It may sound a bit harsh, but...considering the quality and quantity of opportunity afforded Smarty (at stud), and his lack of accomplishment (as a racehorse sire)...it may be a dead-on description.

Elusive City wrote:...He's got a Kentucky Derby Contender in Backtalk. ...

:? Kentucky Derby contender :shock: :? . Seems (to me anyway) Backtalk may be better described as a KyDerby pretender.

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Postby Elusive City » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:52 am

FOS wrote:

:? Kentucky Derby contender :shock: :? . Seems (to me anyway) Backtalk may be better described as a KyDerby pretender.

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I guess you won't be betting him in the Illinios Derby on April 3

He's going to run big there. :D

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Postby LB » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:58 am

Elusive City wrote:Little early to be calling smarty a "dismal failure"



I agree, Elusive City.

But I guess most people would rather rush to judgement than give a horse a chance to prove himself.
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Postby reenci » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 am

Elusive City wrote:
FOS wrote:

:? Kentucky Derby contender :shock: :? . Seems (to me anyway) Backtalk may be better described as a KyDerby pretender.

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I guess you won't be betting him in the Illinios Derby on April 3

He's going to run big there. :D

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probably will run big there.....but not on the first saturday in may at CHURCHILL :wink:
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Postby Elusive City » Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:39 pm

reenci wrote:probably will run big there.....but not on the first saturday in may at CHURCHILL :wink:


Ooops I was wrong Backtack is running in the LA derby this Saturday.

Guess Amoss didn't want to ship him.

oh well fish or cut bait time for Backtalk.

Contender or Pretender. we'll know after the race on Saturday.

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Postby Bohemia » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:28 pm

Hope springs eternal, right Elusive City?
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Postby jonservidio » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:05 am

Elusive City wrote:
reenci wrote:probably will run big there.....but not on the first saturday in may at CHURCHILL :wink:


Ooops I was wrong Backtack is running in the LA derby this Saturday.

Guess Amoss didn't want to ship him.

oh well fish or cut bait time for Backtalk.

Contender or Pretender. we'll know after the race on Saturday.

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Postby bdw0617 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:20 pm

he will go off at half that. he's not a bad horse.
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Postby Jorge » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:12 pm

In re Smarty:

Sometimes a few sires rebound when they go to Argentina. Comments?
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Postby Hold Your Peace » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:31 pm

Elusive City wrote:
reenci wrote:probably will run big there.....but not on the first saturday in may at CHURCHILL :wink:


Ooops I was wrong Backtack is running in the LA derby this Saturday.

Guess Amoss didn't want to ship him.

oh well fish or cut bait time for Backtalk.

Contender or Pretender. we'll know after the race on Saturday.

EC


What JonServido was pointing out I think is that people are confusing this LA Derby starter named "Backtrack" with the Smarty Jones horse "Backtalk". Backtalk is likely still pointed to the IL Derby.
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Postby jonservidio » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:20 am

exactly
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Postby foxtale » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:20 pm

For what it is worth, I dont think Smarty is a "dismal failure" at stud. I think his first sale weanlings averaged a nice profit for those who spent $100,000 on breeding to him. The year his stud fee went to Private Treaty was what scared off the buyers. He may not have had major 2yo runners, and from what I understand, they (Smarty foals) shouldn't be pushed into 2yo runners... but as far as winners/runners, he is doing pretty darn well this year! His progeny earnings would put him number 1 on the PA Sire list, and I, for one would love to stand him here!
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Postby foxtale » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:02 pm

Also, March has been a HECK of a month for Smarty...

In 11 days of racing (from March 13 through Mar 23), Smarty had a remarkable little streak going: 21 races, 11 wins (52%), 16 ITM (76%), and estimated earnings of $390,050.


Since this was posted, Smarty had another winner that I know of at Oaklawn today... named Hey Smarty.
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