On another board some knowledgeable horsemen have questioned his soundness citing the front bandages worn in the Wood, his somewhat hard action and a late and not particularly smooth lead switch, plus the decision to ship round-trip to NY rather than stay at home for the FL Derby.
Anyone here observe anything amiss?
Eskendereya's Soundness
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Eskendereya's Soundness
"He is pure air and fire and the dull elements of earth and water never appear in him; he is indeed a horse ..." Wm. Shakespeare - Henry V
Anyone could clearly see that his right ankle was bigger than his left ankle when he was in the starting gate.
Also, Velazquez had to force him to change leads midstretch.
And about 50 meters from the finish line Eskendereya abruptly changed leads again.....
These actions are Defenitely not a good sign......
Also, Velazquez had to force him to change leads midstretch.
And about 50 meters from the finish line Eskendereya abruptly changed leads again.....
These actions are Defenitely not a good sign......
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apexseal wrote:Anyone could clearly see that his right ankle was bigger than his left ankle when he was in the starting gate.
Also, Velazquez had to force him to change leads midstretch.
And about 50 meters from the finish line Eskendereya abruptly changed leads again.....
These actions are Defenitely not a good sign......
this is very good information. thanks and I did not see that.
does not suprise me however.
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the things I don't like:
1. he has beat absolutely no one, and the one decent horse he beat, had the most legit excuse for not running i have seen in years, until like 30 minutes later when lookin at lucky ran of course. reminds me alot of curlin in this sense. there was no doubt in my mind in 07 curlin was the best horse going into the race, but he had not been battle tested yet. it took him taking his lumps in the derby for him to come back in the Preakness and say "umm.. no. you are not going by me like that"
2. now that i know, the ankles.
3. too much shipping. from gulfstream to new york to Florida to churchill in less than 2 months. that's' too much.
4. you know people say "he's bred up and down for this distance".. really? is he? I'm not trying to poke but seriously, is giant's causeway really a classic sire? hell he's really not a dirt sire but this one can run on the dirt, but giant's causeways from my experience are tweenrs.. cowboy cal, shamradaal, aaragon, heatseeker (even though he won the big cap in the worst big cap in years, he was best at 9F), neko bay, fairbanks.. all horses that were best between 8 and 9F.
he won't really get you a sprinter, but won't get you a classic horse either. kinda like tiznow.
not saying he won't get the distance, I just won't go so far to say a son of giant's causeway is 'bred to go long". That's more of breeding marketing than actual stats speaking if you ask me.
5. let's really break down his career.
who has he really beaten?
I"m not going to count awesome act beucuse he lost a show in the wood and he was held up the entire race
he beat Thank U Philippe who has a maiden win to his name, he beat dean's kitten as a 2YO who in turn beat the other pletcher horse connamera who won the california derby, and ranger heartley in the race, basically 2 horses that beat up on each other
he came back and beat Ice Box who won the worst rendition of the florida derby I have seen since I have followed horse racing. the 2nd, 4th and 5th place finishers in the florida derby were not even graded stakes placed going into the derby. Only rule who won the delta jackpot and the sam davis.. that tampa bay form really held up.
while he's good, he's not 2/1 good.
anytime you win big in new york you are going to get head lines. this horse is the next bellamy road and i think bellamy road was actaully better.
1. he has beat absolutely no one, and the one decent horse he beat, had the most legit excuse for not running i have seen in years, until like 30 minutes later when lookin at lucky ran of course. reminds me alot of curlin in this sense. there was no doubt in my mind in 07 curlin was the best horse going into the race, but he had not been battle tested yet. it took him taking his lumps in the derby for him to come back in the Preakness and say "umm.. no. you are not going by me like that"
2. now that i know, the ankles.
3. too much shipping. from gulfstream to new york to Florida to churchill in less than 2 months. that's' too much.
4. you know people say "he's bred up and down for this distance".. really? is he? I'm not trying to poke but seriously, is giant's causeway really a classic sire? hell he's really not a dirt sire but this one can run on the dirt, but giant's causeways from my experience are tweenrs.. cowboy cal, shamradaal, aaragon, heatseeker (even though he won the big cap in the worst big cap in years, he was best at 9F), neko bay, fairbanks.. all horses that were best between 8 and 9F.
he won't really get you a sprinter, but won't get you a classic horse either. kinda like tiznow.
not saying he won't get the distance, I just won't go so far to say a son of giant's causeway is 'bred to go long". That's more of breeding marketing than actual stats speaking if you ask me.
5. let's really break down his career.
who has he really beaten?
I"m not going to count awesome act beucuse he lost a show in the wood and he was held up the entire race
he beat Thank U Philippe who has a maiden win to his name, he beat dean's kitten as a 2YO who in turn beat the other pletcher horse connamera who won the california derby, and ranger heartley in the race, basically 2 horses that beat up on each other
he came back and beat Ice Box who won the worst rendition of the florida derby I have seen since I have followed horse racing. the 2nd, 4th and 5th place finishers in the florida derby were not even graded stakes placed going into the derby. Only rule who won the delta jackpot and the sam davis.. that tampa bay form really held up.
while he's good, he's not 2/1 good.
anytime you win big in new york you are going to get head lines. this horse is the next bellamy road and i think bellamy road was actaully better.
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Re: The pedigree of Eskendereya. I think it's more than the Giant's Causeway that has people thinking distance. It's Seattle Slew, Alydar and Northern Dancer on the dam's side that has them drooling IMO.
Having said that, despite all the distance influences Eskendereya's half sibling was merely a sprinter....Food for thought.
I will say "he looks" like he can get a distance. I guess we will see soon enough.
Having said that, despite all the distance influences Eskendereya's half sibling was merely a sprinter....Food for thought.
I will say "he looks" like he can get a distance. I guess we will see soon enough.
[quote="dublino"][quote="ruaff"]How fast "on the clock" does the horse have to be when he is winning by daylight?[/quote]
That just shows what he is beating.[/quote]
First a caveat - I'm no Pletcher fan and I will most likely be betting with the 0-24 trend and against Eskendereya.
Agreed - however, would you not also agree that because of how he is winning we have no idea how fast he can stop a clock?
That just shows what he is beating.[/quote]
First a caveat - I'm no Pletcher fan and I will most likely be betting with the 0-24 trend and against Eskendereya.
Agreed - however, would you not also agree that because of how he is winning we have no idea how fast he can stop a clock?
ruaff wrote:First a caveat - I'm no Pletcher fan and I will most likely be betting with the 0-24 trend and against Eskendereya.
Agreed - however, would you not also agree that because of how he is winning we have no idea how fast he can stop a clock?
Not much quicker I would say.
I can't see him being out in front in the Derby and lobbing along at his own pace, does he have the experience to come 3 wide the last turn and split two horses up the stretch?
I hope he wins it I do, it might stop all this nonsense about certain Sires not being able to sire a dirt horse etc.
If a horse is good enough he can run on anything.