Spend a Buck son entering stud

[jtcsupra88]

I'd like input on a New Stallion entering stud. He's name is "Spendabuck's Luck" he is by Spend a Buck out a daugther of Globe son of Secretariat. He is from the 3 female line the same as Einstein (Brz) But not up close. I was checking some mares with both stallions and Spendabuck's Luck shows better e nicks - Hypotical crosses. Einstein stands for $7500 and Spendabuck's Luck stands for $1500. The stallion has a beautiful conformation and can run like the wind. He never got to the track because of owner and trainer disagreement and the horse was brought home(by what I was told). I think he can be a good sire and want others opinions. Here's a link to his pedigree

http://www.pedigreequery.com/spendabucks+luck]

[Tappiano]

He's an unraced 10 year old who runs around his paddock "like the wind" and they want $1,500?

[jtcsupra88]

He's an unraced 10 year old who runs around his paddock "like the wind" and they want $1,500?

What type of stud fee should he get then?

[oliverstoned]

Considering horses like Idiot Proof and Mr Nightlinger who proved they could run like the wind recently retired for 1500 I'm thinking maybe he shouldn't be at stud unless a backyard breeder in a nice State program wants to pursue trying to make him a stallion with their own mares.

[Fireslam]

Puh-LEESE dont tell me you are trying to compare this horse with Einstein. The only thing they have in common is that they have 4 hooves.

Do yourself, and him, a favor by gelding him.

[madelyn]

Puh-LEESE dont tell me you are trying to compare this horse with Einstein. The only thing they have in common is that they have 4 hooves.

Do yourself, and him, a favor by gelding him.

Well they ARE both by Spend a Buck. However, Einstein was certainly quite a good racehorse and has earned his right to have a chance at stud. There is NOTHING in this other horse's pedigree that says "sire" to me, and with no evidence of talent I'd have to agree that $1500 is too much and he would need to be proven before he could actually be expected to earn any money for jumping mares, in my opinion.

[tinners way]

You have to go back to the 1800's to find any black type tail female. Pass.

[Tappiano]

He's an unraced 10 year old who runs around his paddock "like the wind" and they want $1,500?

What type of stud fee should he get then?

None, there isn't anything in his pedigree that anyone selling or racing to buy would find appealing, in my humble opinion. Every year I read through every single name when the jockey club releases their mare report and I see dozens of stallions that I have never heard of and when I look at their pedigrees I shake my head because the only thing they had going for them were sperm that swam.

[Jorge]

Dear Collaborators,

I shared the following query at another site, but I think we can discuss it here. Here is the question:

How do you explain the resurge of Spend A Buck’s tail-male lineage via Einstein and Pico Central. Is there any difference in the kind of mares, nutrients or any other overlooked factor to take into account here?

EINSTEIN (dark/brown H 2002): http://www.pedigreequery.com/einstein5
PICO CENTRAL (dark/brown H 1999): http://www.pedigreequery.com/pico+central

Someone expressed that it seems that “Spend a Buck's genetic make-up needed something that South American breeders look for in their choices for bloodstock that he couldn't find in North America”

It was also expressed that “Ahonoora's astonishing success (as in, most people were astonished) as a sire” as well as in “second generation influence indicates that he supplied a useful ingredient that was generally missing in the general British horse population.”

Thanks for your opinions!!

[Tappiano]

The OP is trying to market a 10 year old unraced stallion who's been a pasture ornament. He is by a sire who's had a few good runners in reverse of a horse like Slew O' Gold who got off to a hot start and then went south from there or Our Emblem.

[jtcsupra88]

What made the difference with Spend a Buck was that they bred mares that had Solid and Professional sires in her pedigree which is what Spend a Buck needed. Wild RisK in Einstein's pedigree is a (P) sire. Balancing the pedigree to produce a real runner that could go the distance.
Spend a Buck didn't get the chance here because many black balled him because his owner didn't run him in the triple crown.

Spend a Buck record to date is 37 stakes horses (5%) 454 winners (61%) a total of $26,714,298 earnings of offspring.

Slew O' Gold record is 28 stakes winners (5%) 280 winners (48%) $26,989,471 earnings of offspring.

Spend a Buck is not a bad sire and his sons like Einstein if bred to the right mares can be a good sire too.

[Tappiano]

An unraced son of his is still not worth $1,500.

[jtcsupra88]

I was talking about Einstein.

[Shammy Davis]

The pedigree info says introductory breeding $500. They'll get some QH bookings. It appears he will be standing in OK. He looks like a QH from the posted picture.

His tail-female is a big void. Not a remarkable name in the lot. I'd been surprised if he gets serious TB inquiries.