Those magnificent seniors, Quiet American and Slew City Slew continue to look amazing for their age. Both also have great fertility.
Adena has an El Prado stallion who looks just like Medaglia named Singing Saint. Not too many people have heard of him, but he's a really attractive horse and if they drop his fee a bit and you breed to race he's a great option IMHO.
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Singing Saint is a pretty horse who started his career late and made only two starts on grass at 1 1/16. Adena has the audacity to advertise him for the same amount as Kentucky Derby winning Giacomo and genuinely fast Grade One winner Showing Up. If I was going unproven ElPrado I'd opt for Fort Prado ($2500). Not saying he has no shot of making it but it's going to be tough with the book Adena will likely give him, I'd rather see him at a nice farm in Indiana standing for $1500.
I mistakenly thought his fee was half of what it is advertised at .... what it's advertised at is not a bargain! He covered 30 or 32 mares.
Slew City Slew was 3,500 and the only reason I am not leaning towards him for my mare is because she needs precocity and he's not one that I think will give it to me. I did find it amusing that a cross between them has no inbreeding whatsoever!
I say "great breed to race" as in very inexpensive stud fee for a stallion who nicks with the mares bloodline. I would not breed to a 2,500 stud if I were trying to sell the offspring simply because if I use the 2.5 times as a good marker I have a foal that's worth <7,500 and by the time you get done with all the costs associated with getting it there you would have been better off spending more on a stud fee for something the market "might" embrace.
Slew City Slew was 3,500 and the only reason I am not leaning towards him for my mare is because she needs precocity and he's not one that I think will give it to me. I did find it amusing that a cross between them has no inbreeding whatsoever!
I say "great breed to race" as in very inexpensive stud fee for a stallion who nicks with the mares bloodline. I would not breed to a 2,500 stud if I were trying to sell the offspring simply because if I use the 2.5 times as a good marker I have a foal that's worth <7,500 and by the time you get done with all the costs associated with getting it there you would have been better off spending more on a stud fee for something the market "might" embrace.
Thats the ignorance of "breed to race". Just because its not good enough for commercial sellers, it must be good enough for "breed to race".
I breed to race. I do NOT breed to unprovens. Breed to race means, I need to breed to a stallion proven to produce race horses, not some unproven horse with a spotty race record that likely will be in Montana in a couple of years.
So how much do you think someone who "breeds to race" will have in that foal by the time they get to the races? It will be far more than commercial breeders.
I breed to race. I do NOT breed to unprovens. Breed to race means, I need to breed to a stallion proven to produce race horses, not some unproven horse with a spotty race record that likely will be in Montana in a couple of years.
So how much do you think someone who "breeds to race" will have in that foal by the time they get to the races? It will be far more than commercial breeders.
It certainly does have to do with being good or bad enough. There are a lot of good "breed to race" sires that are not good enough for commercial breeders; they just don't produce a pretty enough horse, but will produce a runner. A horse like Singing Saint wont be commercial, or "breed to race", until he proves he can produce runners.
I'm not going to him and I already said his fee was higher than what I had heard it was so it's a moot point. It's like comparing Gone West to one of his full brothers, this one looks a lot like Medaglia so if someone wanted to roll the die on the physical traits being passed on he's one to consider.
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Tappiano wrote:I'm not going to him and I already said his fee was higher than what I had heard it was so it's a moot point. It's like comparing Gone West to one of his full brothers, this one looks a lot like Medaglia so if someone wanted to roll the die on the physical traits being passed on he's one to consider.
Just to clarify: are the photos you posted intended to be Singing Saint or Gone West?
The photo of Singing Saint in the pedigree db shows a bay horse with white on his face.
Neither, the original post referenced Slew City Slew and Quiet American, that is who those pictures are of. Apparently you cannot offer an opinion without someone lurking in the background waiting to tell you that you are wrong.. I'll go edit the other post.
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Geez. If it's just pedigree you want, my pal has a nice horse here in Louisville named Mocha Joe, with a star and four white socks, that he is standing for five hundred bucks. By Medaglia d'Oro out of a Nureyev mare...
Joe is a very pretty horse, built a bit uphill; I think he's a better deal than Singing Saint.
Joe is a very pretty horse, built a bit uphill; I think he's a better deal than Singing Saint.
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
Tappiano wrote:Neither, the original post referenced Slew City Slew and Quiet American, that is who those pictures are of. Apparently you cannot offer an opinion without someone lurking in the background waiting to tell you that you are wrong.. I'll go edit the other post.
I quite honestly was looking for clarity, with no malice intended.
