Grey horse born from non grey parents ?

[summerhorse]

Isn't it a shame these horses are always owned by other people who have no interest in color genetics?

Course nobody (researchers) was interested in Catch A Bird when he was alive either and his last owner probably would have been happy to send samples.

[Jorge]

Please help update information on this case: QUESTION DAY.

[Jorge]

Hello every one,

There is a grey horse in France, named Question Day (http://www.pedigreequery.com/question+day) who appears to be born from 2 non grey parents.
The horse is a true grey (not a black/brown sabino which sometimes seems to be grey), here is a picture of him :



How is it possible ?

Okay, lets update his photo:

[reedhill]

So cool, and beautiful animal!

[Shannon]

"Another option is that he was tested very young and later on was switched (accidently) with another foal, yearling, 2 year old and the real owner of that DNA is bay or chestnut and running under the grey's real name and pedigree. That would come out when he went to stud IF he went to stud but what if he never did?

They still find horses switched by accident (or carelessness). The same could have happened with that other grey from the other thread. Back then they didn't do DNA did they? Weren't they still on blood type? But the same thing could have happened, an accidental switch after typing was done. "
A close friend of mine had a mare that the above scenario actually happened to. 2 plain bay mares, DNA mix up when registered as babies. It wasn't discovered until one mare had a foal and the DNA didn't match the dam! JC was perplexed, and it took some time to figure it out.

[reedhill]

You are right,blood type and DNA are only as good as the humans recording them..........so I guess the finally figured out what happened?

[Sailor Kenshin]

Hello every one,

There is a grey horse in France, named Question Day (http://www.pedigreequery.com/question+day) who appears to be born from 2 non grey parents.
The horse is a true grey (not a black/brown sabino which sometimes seems to be grey), here is a picture of him :



How is it possible ?

OK, I'm very new at this and admittedly know nothing, but I thought a 'gray' was any color horse who started to get white hairs, just like people do (and we people gray out at different rates).

Is there a genetic difference between a gray and, say, a bay or chestnut?

[RiddleMeThis]

OK, I'm very new at this and admittedly know nothing, but I thought a 'gray' was any color horse who started to get white hairs, just like people do (and we people gray out at different rates).

Is there a genetic difference between a gray and, say, a bay or chestnut?

Yes a gray is a bay or a chestnut that also has the gray mutation that causes them to gray out.

[Sailor Kenshin]

OK, I'm very new at this and admittedly know nothing, but I thought a 'gray' was any color horse who started to get white hairs, just like people do (and we people gray out at different rates).

Is there a genetic difference between a gray and, say, a bay or chestnut?

Yes a gray is a bay or a chestnut that also has the gray mutation that causes them to gray out.

Thanks for clearing that up---how early does an owner have to register a color with the JC? And can that color register change if a formerly bay foal starts graying out?

Or do the owners know beforehand due to breeding records?

[Shannon]

Reedhill;
Yes, eventually it was discovered and sorted out. Neither mare did much of note on the track, so it wasn't too bad, but the mares had both been sold post racing, one owner got a better mare than they thought, the other had a lesser mare. Luckily, the foal had no issues getting registered once the mares were sorted out.

I'm trying to recall the mares names, but it im completley blank, it was a few years ago now.

[Jorge]

Any update on this case?

[bonham]

Jorge,
pedigreequery is now listing Charge d'Affaire's color as gray, and another gray is listed in his progeny list - Assafair (x Assaranxa by Linamix). Is there any way to tell when this pedigree was updated?
Bonham

[Jorge]

OFFICIAL DATA REVEALS THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:

Charge d’Affaires (GB) Bay Horse; Foaled: April 13, 1995 (Kendor --- Lettre de Cachet, by Secretro)

[summerhorse]

Switches still happen now, I recall reading about some here and there. And they were only discovered because they were breeding animals and as pointed out, the dna didn't match. they were figured out I believe.

Was it Dare To Command who was switched with another horse years ago? Forget the other horse but the wrong horse went to stud and the wrong one kept racing! It was some name like that.

[Beluga]

Jorge,
pedigreequery is now listing Charge d'Affaire's color as gray, and another gray is listed in his progeny list - Assafair (x Assaranxa by Linamix). Is there any way to tell when this pedigree was updated?
Bonham

I do not know who listed him as a grey on this website but it's not true !!
How can someone allow himself to put that information without having any clue of the phenotype of this horse ?!
This horse is a bay and the stud farm where he stands confirmed that to me as I wrote them to ask !!
I changed the information on pedigreequery because this horse I insist on that, is really a bay.

As for the other grey, that's not surprising as Linamix is a grey and so does his daughter Assaranxa.