Barefoot Babe

[LB]

To clarify, you are saying specifically (inbred and closely line bred) horses that breakdown by the hundreds and go to slaughter every year don't exist because you don't know their names?
I bet every breeder and trainer that sold them to slaughter knows their names..........or let me guess, no one does that?

Reedhill it seems to me that you're the one who's twisting the facts. Yes, the majority of TB horses that break down are linebred--because the majority of TB are linebred.

It is also true that the majority of TBs that break down are bay (because the majority of TBs are bay.) Using your logic does that mean that we shouldn't be breeding bays?

[reedhill]

Reedhill it seems to me that you're the one who's twisting the facts. Yes, the majority of TB horses that break down are linebred--because the majority of TB are linebred

No LB they are not all that closely line bred..........
So how does anyone here know that close line breeding doesn't cause high numbers of breakdowns? Is JC telling me that, and probably anyone else that cares to ask the same question, because they might have a clue it does? Are minds here so closed that you can't even consider this is what could be happening? Geesh!

It is also true that the majority of TBs that break down are bay (because the majority of TBs are bay.) Using your logic does that mean that we shouldn't be breeding bays?[b]

very funny..........

[mlwinter]

Back to the topic posted originally. Yesterday, we contacted the organization about this mare. We were in Maryland for the Fas-T sale and stated that we would like to get this mare and bring here back to Indiana to breed to our Halo son. We were emailed with a contact number of who was handling her placement.

This morning we were on our way to Laurel Park to pick her up when we were then called and told that we had to 'qualify' before we could get her and that she was running this week. I would hate to be the person on the other end of the line who told Wayne Houston that he first needed to qualify to get a horse.

He is one of the most competent 'qualified' horseman that there are. And if she has chips in her knee and ankle why in the world would you send a crippled horse to the track, that you supposedly wanted to rehome? This who thing is a crock.

Why were we not told yesterday about some kind of qualification? So much for trying to give a mare a good home...

[Fireslam]

Reedhill it seems to me that you're the one who's twisting the facts. Yes, the majority of TB horses that break down are linebred--because the majority of TB are linebred

No LB they are not all that closely line bred..........
So how does anyone here know that close line breeding doesn't cause high numbers of breakdowns? Is JC telling me that, and probably anyone else that cares to ask the same question, because they might have a clue it does? Are minds here so closed that you can't even consider this is what could be happening? Geesh!

It is also true that the majority of TBs that break down are bay (because the majority of TBs are bay.) Using your logic does that mean that we shouldn't be breeding bays?[b]

very funny..........

Uh...maybe because dozens of horses dont break down every day, maybe because the vast majority of horses closely linebred DONT break down than do break down. But dont let facts ruin your fun, you just keep at it!

Remind me again, how many horses have you raced? Do you know how many LB has raced?

[Skipitgirl]

Some people breed strickly for color without a care that the horses have done nothing worthwhile but be born a certain color.

I appreciate the colored horses that have performed themselves (succesfully!) or produced horses that perform successfully. If I was going to breed strickly to try to get color it would be to a stallion like Guaranteed Gold. At least he and his foals have proven themselves.

If I was breeding to race, Im sorry to say there isnt a colored TB I would breed to. Just the way it is.

[Skipitgirl]

ml

Sad that your time was wasted. Sometimes when ther is alot of interest in "free" horses the owners do a complete turnaround and try to get the $ signs rolling. I agree though, why is this mare running again? In the event the mare breaks down and seriously injures anyone, it could come back to haunt the owners who let it be known she had 2 chips. In a civil suit most likely.

[LB]

Back to the topic posted originally. Yesterday, we contacted the organization about this mare. We were in Maryland for the Fas-T sale and stated that we would like to get this mare and bring here back to Indiana to breed to our Halo son. We were emailed with a contact number of who was handling her placement.

This morning we were on our way to Laurel Park to pick her up when we were then called and told that we had to 'qualify' before we could get her and that she was running this week. I would hate to be the person on the other end of the line who told Wayne Houston that he first needed to qualify to get a horse.

He is one of the most competent 'qualified' horseman that there are. And if she has chips in her knee and ankle why in the world would you send a crippled horse to the track, that you supposedly wanted to rehome? This who thing is a crock.

Why were we not told yesterday about some kind of qualification? So much for trying to give a mare a good home...

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. And I agree with your question, if they had previously decided that the chips were bothering her and it was time to find a good home, why go back to racing her? It's a shame you had your time wasted.

[springboro]

Someone needs to post Untuttable on the wall of the Color Breeders forum to show them that a horse can be 2 x 4 and successful. A few weeks ago someone actually called the Jockey Club to complain that a different color breeder's horse was too inbred, when it was something like 3 x 3.

I hope someone brings up Winloc's Millie on a weekly basis

Seriously, we as a group lose any bit of credibility as serious breeders when our own database has such an opinionated bit of verbiage on a horse. Not founded in fact and rife with emotion, I implore the moderators to unlock Winloc's Millie and remove the OPINION and replace it instead with something factual.

[reedhill]

I bet fireslam has a good idea of how many break down a week...........
You go ahead like everyone else here and keep breeding the way you like

[LB]

I bet fireslam has a good idea of how many break down a week...........
You go ahead like everyone else here and keep breeding the way you like

OK, that was nasty just for the sake of being nasty.

I've never understood why you think that belittling other people and their breeding programs makes your horses more attractive. Considering the amount of advertising you do in these threads--indeed nearly every one of your posts is a thinly veiled advertisement--you might consider being a little more civil. Or hasn't it occurred to you that your nastiness is alienating to potential customers?

[Fireslam]

Actually, I looked thru the past weeks Equibase charts, not all as I havent got that much time right now, but I can't find any that broke down. Which seems to support my argument that far more stay sound than break down.

[Tappiano]

Someone needs to post Untuttable on the wall of the Color Breeders forum to show them that a horse can be 2 x 4 and successful. A few weeks ago someone actually called the Jockey Club to complain that a different color breeder's horse was too inbred, when it was something like 3 x 3.

I hope someone brings up Winloc's Millie on a weekly basis

Seriously, we as a group lose any bit of credibility as serious breeders when our own database has such an opinionated bit of verbiage on a horse. Not founded in fact and rife with emotion, I implore the moderators to unlock Winloc's Millie and remove the OPINION and replace it instead with something factual.

Gosh I hope you don't think I had anything to do with that? I brought her up because she is the subject of inbreeding on every message board...

[Tappiano]

Someone needs to post Untuttable on the wall of the Color Breeders forum to show them that a horse can be 2 x 4 and successful. A few weeks ago someone actually called the Jockey Club to complain that a different color breeder's horse was too inbred, when it was something like 3 x 3.

I hope someone brings up Winloc's Millie on a weekly basis

Seriously, we as a group lose any bit of credibility as serious breeders when our own database has such an opinionated bit of verbiage on a horse. Not founded in fact and rife with emotion, I implore the moderators to unlock Winloc's Millie and remove the OPINION and replace it instead with something factual.

Gosh I hope you don't think I had anything to do with that? I brought her up because she is the subject of inbreeding on every message board...

Every one of her foals has made it to the track.

[springboro]

Someone needs to post Untuttable on the wall of the Color Breeders forum to show them that a horse can be 2 x 4 and successful. A few weeks ago someone actually called the Jockey Club to complain that a different color breeder's horse was too inbred, when it was something like 3 x 3.

I hope someone brings up Winloc's Millie on a weekly basis

Seriously, we as a group lose any bit of credibility as serious breeders when our own database has such an opinionated bit of verbiage on a horse. Not founded in fact and rife with emotion, I implore the moderators to unlock Winloc's Millie and remove the OPINION and replace it instead with something factual.

Gosh I hope you don't think I had anything to do with that? I brought her up because she is the subject of inbreeding on every message board...

Every one of her foals has made it to the track.

LOL... you're safe, Tappiano. And we all have opinions (we are HORSE PEOPLE!) ... it's just how we express those opinions sometimes that get some of us in trouble. I agree that we need to remain civil at all times during these heated conversations.

[Jessi P]

Springboro I completely agree with you that fact and not opinion should be posted. I cannot modify the horse listings as I am only moderator for 2 of the forums but I DID send an email to Roguelet with your suggestion and a possible alternate description. She is usually pretty busy but hopefully she will have time to look at the email soon.