This question may be too general to answer, but here goes: Say a horse racing in the Mid Atlantic area has shown no workouts or races for a year. If a gelding, chances are good that he's done; starting a new career (please!) or God forbid at a feedlot.
Is there a particular org. (like CANTER) that really specializes in these off the track horses, or someone you know of that tracks their whereabouts?
I know they exist--just want to know likely places where these guys "end up".
Thanks for any ideas.
finding inactive thoroughbreds
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finding inactive thoroughbreds
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to my knowledge unless a new ownership form is submitted to the JC a non-racing purchaser cannot be track. Programs that specialize in adoption (such as the CANTER adoptees and not the trainer listings) have some sort of contract with the foster parent or adopter that notification will given everytime the horse moves. A friend of mine had to have CANTER come out and inspect the new facility when she moved her horse. Most contacts also have a no-sale agreement in that the horse must be surendered back to the organization if the situation were to warrent a sale.. I.e. she gave her horse back when she was preggo b/c she knew she wouldnt be able to keep up with 3 horses.
This actually worked out well b/c they were able to come take the horse the next weekend and she didnt have to draw out a long sale.
This actually worked out well b/c they were able to come take the horse the next weekend and she didnt have to draw out a long sale.
Thanks Toccet, for asking this, and thanks Crystal for answering.
I have been trying to find my mare's family, her dam, who I think by this time is deceased, but her siblings did OK on the track, a couple fillies and a couple geldings. I wanted to find them and bring them to our farm so we could make sure they had forever homes also. I had them in my virual stable, so I wrote to the tracks where they were at, only got 1 reply, but never heard from any of the trainers, then nothing.
I don't have the program to pull up a mare's full produce record, but I still have their names in my virtual stable. I hate the thought something bad could have happened to them, as they are "family". Does not matter they did not win a million dollars, but they were winners, the mare was a good runner and won alot.
The last I had heard they were out of the Starting Gate Training Center in Florida. If anyone on the board is there, has worked there, can you please let me know? I have to go back and get their names. Starting Gate has NEVER returned my calls, letters, any type of contact at all! That is what makes me worried.
Thanks
I have been trying to find my mare's family, her dam, who I think by this time is deceased, but her siblings did OK on the track, a couple fillies and a couple geldings. I wanted to find them and bring them to our farm so we could make sure they had forever homes also. I had them in my virual stable, so I wrote to the tracks where they were at, only got 1 reply, but never heard from any of the trainers, then nothing.
I don't have the program to pull up a mare's full produce record, but I still have their names in my virtual stable. I hate the thought something bad could have happened to them, as they are "family". Does not matter they did not win a million dollars, but they were winners, the mare was a good runner and won alot.
The last I had heard they were out of the Starting Gate Training Center in Florida. If anyone on the board is there, has worked there, can you please let me know? I have to go back and get their names. Starting Gate has NEVER returned my calls, letters, any type of contact at all! That is what makes me worried.
Thanks
We will NEVER see another Ruffian......
as a coincidence, this is a sad story as well that I just saw in the right upper corner:
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-404645
I sure hope this lady finds her horse.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-404645
I sure hope this lady finds her horse.
We will NEVER see another Ruffian......
I have a dream of current owners being required to post the status of the Tbreds under their care with the JC . . . so that all the attention paid to proper paperwork BEFORE their racing years (and during) can be continued after.
I know. Will never happen.
But, until that day when people can be responsible for expensive, intelligent, and possibly profitable animals that, after all, live only 30 years at most give or take, I guess we have to guess "what ever happened to whats-his/her-name?"
In the meantime, if people know the status of a tbred, do take the time to put it in their record in the database, under "factual information". Don't have to say anything more than "retired" or "deceased" or "sold to feed lot" if you don't want to invade people's privacy.
Thanks . . .
I know. Will never happen.
But, until that day when people can be responsible for expensive, intelligent, and possibly profitable animals that, after all, live only 30 years at most give or take, I guess we have to guess "what ever happened to whats-his/her-name?"
In the meantime, if people know the status of a tbred, do take the time to put it in their record in the database, under "factual information". Don't have to say anything more than "retired" or "deceased" or "sold to feed lot" if you don't want to invade people's privacy.
Thanks . . .
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This thing of selling horses without their papers so they can't be raced again is troublesome.
Why not just stamp the papers "not to race" or something? That way the most recent owner could be located.
The OTTB that I have did not come with his reg. papers so technically, the last person listed there is still his owner. All I have is a handwritten bill of sale that says I bought a 9-year old bay gelding (who was actually 4). I think horses' papers should accompany them all the way to the end so that the JC has a record of what becomes of them and people could find a specific horse. Owners would just have to accept that ownership is a public record. I wouldn't mind if a former owner or trainer inquired of me as to my horse's status or well-being.
As it is now, my horse could have been stolen for all I know.
Why not just stamp the papers "not to race" or something? That way the most recent owner could be located.
The OTTB that I have did not come with his reg. papers so technically, the last person listed there is still his owner. All I have is a handwritten bill of sale that says I bought a 9-year old bay gelding (who was actually 4). I think horses' papers should accompany them all the way to the end so that the JC has a record of what becomes of them and people could find a specific horse. Owners would just have to accept that ownership is a public record. I wouldn't mind if a former owner or trainer inquired of me as to my horse's status or well-being.
As it is now, my horse could have been stolen for all I know.
I think horses' papers should accompany them all the way to the end so that the JC has a record of what becomes of them and people could find a specific horse. Owners would just have to accept that ownership is a public record
Hear, hear! So--any way we can find like-minded folks and put pressure on the powers that be to get this to happen?
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Maybe write and email the JC and/or create a group to encourage owners to pass papers on with horse?
To me, selling a horse sans papers just says the seller doesn't care what happens to the horse which casts a negative light on the thoroughbred community.
I feel that since I bought CLINT, tattoo C05274, and have been caring for him since 2004 and will for the rest of his life, I should have his certificate of registration and his whereabouts need not be a secret.
Additionally, I think (not sure) that there are other events open to Thoroughbreds other than racing in which the owner would need the horses' papers to enter.
To me, selling a horse sans papers just says the seller doesn't care what happens to the horse which casts a negative light on the thoroughbred community.
I feel that since I bought CLINT, tattoo C05274, and have been caring for him since 2004 and will for the rest of his life, I should have his certificate of registration and his whereabouts need not be a secret.
Additionally, I think (not sure) that there are other events open to Thoroughbreds other than racing in which the owner would need the horses' papers to enter.
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Tbird wrote:This thing of selling horses without their papers so they can't be raced again is troublesome.
Why not just stamp the papers "not to race" or something? That way the most recent owner could be located.
The OTTB that I have did not come with his reg. papers so technically, the last person listed there is still his owner. All I have is a handwritten bill of sale that says I bought a 9-year old bay gelding (who was actually 4). I think horses' papers should accompany them all the way to the end so that the JC has a record of what becomes of them and people could find a specific horse. Owners would just have to accept that ownership is a public record. I wouldn't mind if a former owner or trainer inquired of me as to my horse's status or well-being.
As it is now, my horse could have been stolen for all I know.
If you stamp a set of papers "not to race" it means nothing. The only way an owners has to ensure their horse doesn't race again is to have their papers pulled or withdrawn by the Jockey Club's registry. Marking the papers just makes a mark on 'em.
spring is right.. a letter to the JC and a check can get paper released at the drop of a hat.. If someone wants to race the horse, they can with the papers in the racing office at any track, and there will be a little tiny stamp that says "duplicate copy".. big deal..
It irritates me when people don't hand over papers to any breed of horse after a bill of sale and full payment.. I had often heard stories of people waiting years and giving up on trying to get papers from former owners.. But then again, I pay cash up front with a signed BOS, current coggins and Health Cert in my hand before the horse gets on a truck and never have had problems.
But for those out there with an OTTB that may want to TRY and get papers - here is what you can do.
A. Go to brisnet or equineline and pull a full race record for your horse.
B. Call (not write, but CALL) the last track's racing office that your horse raced at.
Tell them the last trainer your horse raced under and that you are the new owner. They will most likely require you to fax them a copy of a signed Bill of Sale and they will make a phone call to the trainer to get the OK to release the papers if they are still sitting up in the racing office.
If you are in the position- go pick them up, or ask them to be left at the stable gate. Or I'm sure for a small fee they will ever FED-EX them to you.. OVERnight with a tracking number!!!
But all of this is contingent on if you have the proper spelling of their registered name.. not just a barn or pet name. A registered name can be got from tattoo research if the tat is leg.
It irritates me when people don't hand over papers to any breed of horse after a bill of sale and full payment.. I had often heard stories of people waiting years and giving up on trying to get papers from former owners.. But then again, I pay cash up front with a signed BOS, current coggins and Health Cert in my hand before the horse gets on a truck and never have had problems.
But for those out there with an OTTB that may want to TRY and get papers - here is what you can do.
A. Go to brisnet or equineline and pull a full race record for your horse.
B. Call (not write, but CALL) the last track's racing office that your horse raced at.
Tell them the last trainer your horse raced under and that you are the new owner. They will most likely require you to fax them a copy of a signed Bill of Sale and they will make a phone call to the trainer to get the OK to release the papers if they are still sitting up in the racing office.
If you are in the position- go pick them up, or ask them to be left at the stable gate. Or I'm sure for a small fee they will ever FED-EX them to you.. OVERnight with a tracking number!!!
But all of this is contingent on if you have the proper spelling of their registered name.. not just a barn or pet name. A registered name can be got from tattoo research if the tat is leg.
The track in Iowa where my horse raced would die laughing if they saw my bill of sale. Does not match my horse, doesn't say breed and has wrong age. Nothing on it to identify this horse as the horse who raced at the track in Iowa at all and is just scribbled on a piece of paper.
I think that it's possible to make and enforce a rule that says the horse does not race if it says "not to race" on his reg. cert.
I think that it's possible to make and enforce a rule that says the horse does not race if it says "not to race" on his reg. cert.