Need info on CA mare bred by Michael Tekrony

[oleos93]

I bought a 1999 TB mare that is CA bred by Michael Tekrony, Her name is Miss Feather River.

Can anyone tell me if they know of this mare and know if she was ever spayed??

I am at my wits end bringing this mare into heat or ever seeing her come INTO heat!! At first I did not care and did not pay attention to her cycle because we where going to use her for riding only. But the last few months or so I have been trying to get her bred, and nothing.

Someone just suggested she may have been spayed. So here I am seeing if anyone knows anything about her.

[Laurierace]

I am very sleep deprived due to a long week of foal watch so I will do my best to be kind. It appears obvious that you do not have a vet. Start there, not on a message board. The vet will palpate your mare and possibly ultrasound her as well based upon his findings. That will answer all your questions including whether or not she has ovaries in about one minute.

[oleos93]

Yes I do have a vet but it is Sunday and I wanted to start here and save a few hundred bucks if someone had the answer for me. And that is a problem why?

[pfrsue]

Yes I do have a vet but it is Sunday and I wanted to start here and save a few hundred bucks if someone had the answer for me. And that is a problem why?

It's your mare, but you didn't decide today (Sunday) to breed her. You said you'd been trying for months. I'd think the first step would have been a breeding soundness exam. After all, she's far from old, but she's no spring chicken for reproduction if she's never been bred before. And spaying is such a rare thing for horses, I'd be very surprised if that was the issue.

[zinn21]

I don't remember why but I had this mare on my watch list. The previous trainer Gene Tagliaferri stabled at Pleasanton but don't think he has had a starter since last year. You might try calling the Pleasanton Stable Gate and asking for his phone number. He would know if she ever came in heat when he had her. But I'm with the consensus here and would just get her checked. Can't imagine she was spayed but stranger things have happened.

[oleos93]

The suggestion of her being spayed JUST got mentioned today. Not something I would have ever thought of, so NO I did not just decide to bred her today. I like to know what difference that all makes.

I have every intention of having her checked and had I known some would make an issues of just asking to get a quick fix to a question seeing there and thousands of people on here and gee maybe one may know or have knowledge of it. Especially if it was because of an issue when she was younger and someone knows this mare personally. I have not even had her a year and she has passed a lot of hands.

Sorry for asking.

[winds]

I wouldn't get so bent out of shape at their suggestions to getting a vet to check her. To tell you the truth, I'm surprised you didn't do that as soon as you made the decision to breed her.

I guess people here don't know the breeder or how to get in touch with him. If you don't want the expense of a vet check, I'd rethink breeding your mare. You'll need a lot of vet work done after the fact. It's not a cheap enterprise breeding a mare or having the resulting foal. This isn't meant to make you angry, it's just the facts of the breeding industry.

winds

[docjocoy]

I have a mare that has always foaled late, so after an extremely late foaling last spring we gave her the year off to get her bred early this year. Put her under lights, got her to the breeding farm early, and as of the end of march she was still not cycling. Just got an update that while she still is not showing signs of heat the vet has seen a couple of follicles, so finally promising. Without the vet's technology this mare would probably not be bred since she also hates the teaser and really hates the stallion (any of them), and after all that waiting I'm still not going to get an early foal.
I would give your mare some more time and make use of your vet. Some mares just don't make it easy.

[madelyn]

I tried domperidone this year on a mare who, in the past, has stubbornly stayed firmly in anestrus until the end of April - and lo and behold she was ready for the breeding shed in March.

Here's the study I found..
http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/early.htm

[docjocoy]

Very interesting read. Thanks Madelyn.

[oleos93]

I'm not upset at all, just a little surprised at the assumptions. I have been breeding for many years, over 10, and we have done everything. I did have a full exam on her in Dec, just not for breeding because I was not going to bred her at that time. I did not decide until late Jan to go ahead. We put her under lights, shots, by the vet, by the way, and have done everything except do an internal as she is such a healthy mare it was just not a thought, and neither was the possibility of her being spayed. The questions I asked came from after thinking about it, the whole time I had her I really cannot remember her ever coming into season but it just was not a "gee I better look into this thought" as that was not what she was bought for.

I am not looking for the breeder per say, just maybe someone that knows her. I mean this mare has had over 30 starts and has passed a lot of hands.

Yes, the next step is the vet. But come on, everyone is looking for a way to cut cost in order to be able to afford to keep breeding. There are so many getting out because of the cost and that is troublesome. If there is no future, there is no competition in this sport, so it is sad to see some have to hang it up because of costs.

Some are fortunate that they do not have to worry about cost. Some not so much, and some that love it so much they will do what they can to stay in it and cut cost that are not life threatening, like ask a question in hopes of an answer.

[springboro]

we all have our own ways, i guess....

but i would NEVER breed a maiden mare without a vet palp (we found one mare with just a blind pocket and no cervix!) and each and every foal is inspected within 24 hours by a vet. To me, that is the bare minimum.

[Crystal]

if you didnt start her under lights until Jan that is too late.. the idea is to keep them cycling before the days get shorter, but after the fact is just that.. after the fact. You could still get her started this season but I would expect a May/June/July cover, which leaves you at a dis advantage for next season.
So I would listen to the above advice and leave her alone for this season, continue to tease her (even if she doesnt like it, she will one day), and have your vet continue hormone treatment.

[oleos93]

The problem with her is not teasing, she is very kind to the stallion, and vise versa, it is she does not seem to have a cycle at all.

I have talked to a few local breeders, both TB and QH, that have had horses on the track and suggested looking into seeing if she was spayed. I have no worries about her taking if and when she does come into heat, it is that she may never because of this reason.

I never knew this before, and not afraid to admit it, but a lot of breeders do fix their mares because they cannot handle their attitude or their coming into heat all year long, going through fences, kicking stalls and beating the hell out of themselves because of uncontrolled hormone imbalance. This is just some of the reason I got for why they do it, spay them that is. I found it very interesting that most these folks rather have a long time money earner on the track, in the ring, or whatever, then a long time producer.

We where always raised that if you have an animal that can perform, whatever it is, it becomes an asset in the breeding barn. But not everyone feels that way I guess.

[Laurierace]

How could you have had a full breeding exam done on her and not know if she has ovaries or not? That is kind of step one.