'Tis a sad day indeed

jL · Postby jL » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:36 pm

This isn't horse relared but does deserve mentioning ...

The world lost a great man today, with the passing of Pope John Paul II.

May his body rest in peace, as his soul has gone to a far better place.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:56 pm

My husband and I, he a grad of St X and me a Sacred Heart girl... we were cleaning stalls when we heard the news on the barn radio. He commented on the irony of all the folks showing up to pray for J2P2 as he was affectionately known... the irony being that we doubted the Pope needed our help to get into heaven... but yes, he was a great peacemaker, a tremendous influence and will be sorely missed.

pam · Postby **pam** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:23 pm

You know I may get into hot water saying this, but I didn't really get why everyone was praying for him. I kept thinking he's headed where he wants to go, a far better place than here.
I feel for us here who will miss his presence, and his input in this world. It's truly amazing how many people were affected by his being here.
I keep telling my boys when I go.. have a great party, because I know I will be dancing.

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:40 pm

May he rest in peace.

Mahubah · Postby **Mahubah** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:13 pm

He was a great man. His successor has a large place to fill.

Alhoo · Postby **Alhoo** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:28 pm

I can't respect a religion or a leader with such stupid and backward views. Part of life is social progression, and a large part of this religion (and many others) is ignoring and condemning the freedoms that come with such progression. I'm sure God would be pleased with more and more people questioning discrimination, and hence coming closer to figuring out a purpose for existing on Earth. I believe my moral standards exceed the Pope's, and I can't understand why so many people are so certain that such skewed standards are welcome in Heaven.
Because I know that my posting may not be welcome, I would recommend that this topic be removed. It doesn't belong on this board, which is full of people whose brains and information I admire and respect, and who have taught me so much about this sport.

Mahubah · Postby **Mahubah** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:37 pm

Alhoo wrote:Because I know that my posting may not be welcome, I would recommend that this topic be removed. It doesn't belong on this board, which is full of people whose brains and information I admire and respect, and who have taught me so much about this sport.

Which is exactly why you posted this rather inflammatory piece -- to force a removal. It would seem that bigotry is hardly limited to the Catholic faith (of which I am not, by the way, a member).

Joe · Postby **Joe** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:13 pm

Actually Alhoo, your tasteless comment is what doesn't belong on this board.

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:35 pm

Oh for heaven's sake, Alhoo, did you not learn from any of your clan, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all? If not, then, let this moment be your instruction. And you can deeply and sincerely chastise your ancestors for not teaching you courtesy and broadmindedness. For you obviously have a lot to learn in order to get along.

WarHorse · Postby **WarHorse** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:38 pm

Being the leader of such a huge and entrenched bureaucracy makes it very, very difficult to be progressive. JPII espoused peace in a big way, which is as much as can be expected when dealing with a dogmatic megalith.

I think he did a fine job without rocking the boat. But that's just me.

wilf · Postby **wilf** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:47 pm

Listen Alhoo this board welcomes freedom of speech even if your views are at a tangent to all others but you have really no business coming on with a scathing attack like that. Its just bull..it and I dont know where you have been hiding ever since this board opened up but it seems like it was a slimy rock so why dont you crawl back under there until you find an appropriate forum to vent your spleen about dead Popes.Myself I could pick a fight every day over the insane politics and religious zealotry that exists around us, however this certainly is not the place for it and even though the thread is not quite what you might expect here , well it is the end of an era so I for one can forgive anyone wishing to share their loss. Look inside yourself and think of what positive solutions you can put forward on issues that inflame you and try not to charge over people at their most vulnerable/contemplative moment. Oh and dont let the door hit you on the way out!!!!!

jL · Postby jL » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:34 am

Alhoo wrote:I can't respect a religion or a leader with such stupid and backward views. Part of life is social progression, and a large part of this religion (and many others) is ignoring and condemning the freedoms that come with such progression. I'm sure God would be pleased with more and more people questioning discrimination, and hence coming closer to figuring out a purpose for existing on Earth. I believe my moral standards exceed the Pope's, and I can't understand why so many people are so certain that such skewed standards are welcome in Heaven.
Because I know that my posting may not be welcome, I would recommend that this topic be removed. It doesn't belong on this board, which is full of people whose brains and information I admire and respect, and who have taught me so much about this sport.

You know... If this perfect world of yours of "social progression" means that any thought or speech is ok, as long as it conforms with what YOU believe, then I don't want any part of it.

Mahubah · Postby **Mahubah** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:23 am

jL wrote:
Alhoo wrote:I can't respect a religion or a leader with such stupid and backward views. Part of life is social progression, and a large part of this religion (and many others) is ignoring and condemning the freedoms that come with such progression. I'm sure God would be pleased with more and more people questioning discrimination, and hence coming closer to figuring out a purpose for existing on Earth. I believe my moral standards exceed the Pope's, and I can't understand why so many people are so certain that such skewed standards are welcome in Heaven.
Because I know that my posting may not be welcome, I would recommend that this topic be removed. It doesn't belong on this board, which is full of people whose brains and information I admire and respect, and who have taught me so much about this sport.

You know... If this perfect world of yours of "social progression" means that any thought or speech is ok, as long as it conforms with what YOU believe, then I don't want any part of it.

I'm with you, JL.

There is also a confusion here about what religion is for, anyway; a social philosophy and a religion are two different things. Religion's purpose is to define how man should relate to God, not how to create a perfect society, which is the realm of social philosophy. Even atheism defines the God-man relationship by stating that there is no Divine Being and that man is his own arbiter of right and wrong, essentially becoming his own god. The relationship that a particular religion believes man has with God or the Divine will certainly impact the social philosophy of any individual that embraces that belief, but defining social relationships is not the primary purpose of religion and never has been. Those who define religion by its ability to produce a society to their liking are missing the point of what religion is about to begin with.

st. louis kid · Postby **st. louis kid** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:38 am

I agree that this board should be intended for horses and lets keep religion out of it please. I also understand the views of both parties, those of faith have a warm feeling for the pope and he did accomplish many fine things in his life. I also understand the views of those who are not real happy with the behavior of many leaders in this church over the past 20 years, of which the pope was the highest authority. Find another venue for your praise and criticisim would be my suggestion in order to keep this site the positive it has been.

jL · Postby jL » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:29 am

Mahubah and st. louis kid, you both have valid points. Let me add just this. In my initial post, I only meant to point out that the world lost a great man today. In my opinion, it did. If you do not agree with that, so be it.

It was not my intent to make this a "religious" reference, as I believe the Pope did some good/great things outside of the Catholic church. If you don't agree with this, so be it.

There have been a good many posts made to this board that were not related to horses or the horse industry. I don't recall ever seing a post (with the exception of the flame posts from awhile back) from the administrator or moderator(s), or any of the members, for that matter, saying those posts were not adequate. If the administrator or moderator(s) of this board feel it is necessary to tell me I am out of line for making my initial post, so be it.

Bottom line... I am not going to apologize if you find yourself in disagreement with my beliefs. Your disagreement is your problem. You make the choice to read these boards or not read them. To flame me because you do not agree is just wrong.