Federal lawmakers seek ban on doping in horseracing . . .

[Whirlaway]

This doping ban is getting some traction. Will the Game keepers get the juice out of the Sport before the Feds step in?


http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/springfield-oh-sports/lawmakers-seek-ban-on-doping-in-horse-racing-1147674.html?cxtype=rss_sports

[spex4me]

This doping ban is getting some traction. Will the Game keepers get the juice out of the Sport before the Feds step in?


http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/springfield-oh-sports/lawmakers-seek-ban-on-doping-in-horse-racing-1147674.html?cxtype=rss_sports

please the Game Keepers have been dragging their toes long enough. It needs to be a national regulating body for the sport and not this mickey mouse crap of this state does this that state does that. And the 3 strikes you're out.... BRILLIANT....long time overdue, not 64 strikes and a slap on the hand.

[Crystal]

"..A horse that tests positive for performance-enhancing drugs three times would receive a ban of at least two years."..

What a great way to switch trainers,, lay up,, and still keep conditions..Idiots..

"The bill comes three years after some in the industry urged the federal government to get involved, following the death of Eight Belles at the 2008 Kentucky Derby. A drug test proved that the horse was clear of steroids, but the incident helped shine a light on safety problems and the lack of a single governing body."

My god,, beating a dead horse.. The horse BROKE DOWN.. what about the other thousands of horses that break down each year? Because they are not on NBC the first week in May they dont count..

"Rick Dutrow, trainer of the Derby winner Big Brown, acknowledged he regularly injected the horse with the then-legal steroid stanozolol."

It was legal and now it isnt.. Big Brown really wasnt that great without his juice.. we all knew that.

"In addition to toughening penalties, the bill would ban substances such as Lasix, a diuretic that can enhance performance. Lasix is banned in most other countries. And the legislation would require that the winner of each race be tested for performance-enhancing drugs.

Lasix is mentioned that stops pulmonary bleeding and prevents a horse from choking on blood, but Bute (an even more common drug) is not mentioned? And Just like to mention.. the winner of every race IS drug tested.

"Too many racehorses are overmedicated and doped, and I believe the sport of kings is no place for such a drug problem. "

What about every other equine sport? How about testosterone in halter horses? Doping in show jumping/eventing? What about nerving and blocking?

"The legislation would add new provisions to the Interstate Horseracing Act of 1978, which grants simulcasting rights that now account for much of the industry's profits."

OH, so it is about money after all? Silly government,, Horse racing isn't for politicians.. ask Jack Conway how Stately Victor is doing..

[spex4me]

They are talking heads of course, everything they say is gonna be sensationalized, that's politics. Like I don't like Eight Belles coming up in conversation about horses and drugs because it's bull%$&*. But at this point there needs to be a game changer and the game has done nothing for itself but continue it's downward spiral.
And Stately Victor is a good a tax write off lol!

[bdw0617]

"..A horse that tests positive for performance-enhancing drugs three times would receive a ban of at least two years."..

What a great way to switch trainers,, lay up,, and still keep conditions..Idiots..

"The bill comes three years after some in the industry urged the federal government to get involved, following the death of Eight Belles at the 2008 Kentucky Derby. A drug test proved that the horse was clear of steroids, but the incident helped shine a light on safety problems and the lack of a single governing body."

My god,, beating a dead horse.. The horse BROKE DOWN.. what about the other thousands of horses that break down each year? Because they are not on NBC the first week in May they dont count..

"Rick Dutrow, trainer of the Derby winner Big Brown, acknowledged he regularly injected the horse with the then-legal steroid stanozolol."

It was legal and now it isnt.. Big Brown really wasnt that great without his juice.. we all knew that.

"In addition to toughening penalties, the bill would ban substances such as Lasix, a diuretic that can enhance performance. Lasix is banned in most other countries. And the legislation would require that the winner of each race be tested for performance-enhancing drugs.

Lasix is mentioned that stops pulmonary bleeding and prevents a horse from choking on blood, but Bute (an even more common drug) is not mentioned? And Just like to mention.. the winner of every race IS drug tested.

"Too many racehorses are overmedicated and doped, and I believe the sport of kings is no place for such a drug problem. "

What about every other equine sport? How about testosterone in halter horses? Doping in show jumping/eventing? What about nerving and blocking?

"The legislation would add new provisions to the Interstate Horseracing Act of 1978, which grants simulcasting rights that now account for much of the industry's profits."

OH, so it is about money after all? Silly government,, Horse racing isn't for politicians.. ask Jack Conwayg how Stately Victor is doing..

tell em!

help me understand something about bleeders. Is bleeding genetic or is it caused "trying too hard". I can only speak of what I know and i am / was an athlete. I have never bleed or anything but i have threw up before, uncontrollably one time, before in basketball practice, more than once actually, as has most any athlete who has played for a hard coach. both times I we had this coach that liked to press, the whole game and to press the whole game you have to be in better shape then your competition, and well, you do that by running your ass off. Getting on the court, running down and back, for hours and hours on end at times, running down and back 5 times in less than 1 minute.. whir doesn't sound that bad, until you have been running for 90 minutes and you can't even see straight anymore.

both times I coughed up blood, the first time, was my 2nd or 3rd practice of my sophomore year in high school. The first time we really had to hit the court and run. I wasn't used to it., I made it though (a few guys didn't). IK had done some conditioning over the summer but i wasn't ready for that. I hit the bathroom and stood in there for about 15 minutes just coughing up blood and couldn't even stand up for a while i was so tired. The second time I remember like yesterday it was the thanksgiving of my junior year, we didn't practice the thanksgiving break, I had ate WAY too much and hadn't exercised on my own. .and paid for it.

however, after this shock of stress, by the middle of the season, i mean you get tired, but it doesn't phase you like that anymore, it just is what it is.

my point is, isn't the fact that we have so many bleeders, proof that we don't train our horses hard enough and don't have enough foundation? In my limited knowledge of what I know, it's like, taking me and my "light" conditioning, putting me in the game for 25 minutes, throwing up blood after the game or at halftime, and instead of working me harder in practice to get more used to the work, giving me drugs to make it less likely that i bleed when i get tired. That's how I see this in my limited knowledge of what i know.

[BenB]

Racing can not without the interstate, so just signs the innternational racing rules on forbidden medication and keep them checked.

The other case needs to be solved: them small fields where not a single handicapper is interested in.

With the small crops to come into play a lot of race tracks needs to make space and stops racing.

[bdw0617]

Racing can not without the interstate, so just signs the innternational racing rules on forbidden medication and keep them checked.

The other case needs to be solved: them small fields where not a single handicapper is interested in.

With the small crops to come into play a lot of race tracks needs to make space and stops racing.

i think we need less conditions at least in the claming ranks. do we really need a 50k claimer, a 40k claimer a 32k claimer, a 25k claimer, a 20k claimer a 12k claimer, a 10k claimer and an 8k claimer on the socal circuit lol?

would be better if it was like 40k, 20k and 10k. most are interchangeable anyway

[photofinish]

A large portion of bleeding is genetic in horses. It's a fine line between under-conditioning, perfect conditioning, and over conditioning that will sap the finish out of one (not too mention the fact that alot of horses cannot withstand the really hard training of old anymore). I would hasten to ad a guess that the sprinters have a tougher time with bleeding than the routers - speed=force and all that...

[BenB]

Besides genetic are also part of the problem: stress and a bad enviromental
surrounding. without any genetic influence no bleeding will ever happen.

Because lasix was introduced, the needle took over the role from training so the softies were taken in the breed. Instead of culling them.

[Crystal]

Photo finish & Ben have hit all the targets. It is a combination of a lot of things. Mostly poor conditioning and over exertion of un conditioned lungs. A horse can't throw up, and while caused by stress on the body (like you B-Ball experience) it is a little different.

Honestly we need to cull a huge portion of the racehorses out there in competition. We do not need 3,500-4k, 5k claimers. They are the bread and butter of the current population, but really it is not even close to profitable to have horses in such low ranks.

Standardbred are that.. they run to a standard..Most (to my knowledge, so someone corect me if I'm wrong) have to workout and aim to run to a standard of a 2 minute mile. If they can't do it, they dont continue to train and are moved.

This is again where I believe we should have a standard in breeding. To help curb the number of horses produced each year, have a licensing or "approval" from the JC to breed certain mares and stallions. People could breed their mares if they wanted too, but could not JC register them without an approval certificate. Almost along the lines of a stallion service certificate but released by the Jockey Club.

It's not something I expect to see in my lifetime, but the breed has to kick rock bottom before any change will take effect.

[Bast]

I want the feds out of my light bulb sockets, my toilet tank [to non-Americans: people actually smuggle Canadian toilet tanks into this country] and I really don't want them messing around in horse racing.

[griff]

Thank you Bast.

griff

[BenB]

Why refuses the USA to sign the global racing rules on medications and doping???

[bdw0617]

because we suck

[TJ]

because we suck

Hi bdw,
You are speaking for youself only with a statement like that concerning the USA.....the we in your post, should be changed to the singular form I, as you don't speak for all American's and surely not for me. After making that little change (I and WE) re-read how your post would read when speaking for yourself only. TJ