Dutrow

[BenB]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... r-10-years

[Shammy Davis]

Good for NY and good for horseracing.

[casallc]

Too bad. Why not rule off all good horsemen so we will have only ass kissing, carot feeders and make PETA and other bleeding hearts happy.

[winds]

Will this now make the other rule breakers take pause and think before they act? I sure hope so. I still can't believe he get's 10 years and Biancone is back to training!

winds

[jrgators]

I am sorry to hear this for Mr. Dutrow.

I don't know him personally, but I think he was good for racing, and the conflict on the decision makers leaves me reason to take pause.

[toadie]

I am sorry to hear this for Mr. Dutrow.

I don't know him personally, but I think he was good for racing, and the conflict on the decision makers leaves me reason to take pause.

Just curious, do you also admire ASSmussen? What about Biancone?

[tinners way]

Actually a hard call. Until the decision is made to have consistent medication rules, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. The industry historically has had trainers doing whatever possible to gain an edge. For me, all race day drugs should be banned.

I would doubt you would find a single Vet to agree.

As far as condemning trainers, owners are supposed to know the rules as well. First time a trainer is caught violating the owner should be put on notice that the next time he is gone as well, whether it is his/her horse. If they are with a trainer that has served, the owners should be called off as well. That would bring changes.

Unfortunately our industry has done such a horrible job policing itself, the federal gov't will most likely soon be involved. An even worse scenario.

[winds]

I've been in Rick's barn to run horses for his brother Tony. Though I never saw anything wrong in his barn ( I also wasn't looking for anything ) you can't dispute the rules violations. I feel for the man, he is a good horseman and does love his horses. They are fed peppermints by the boat load. He pissed off too many influential people in NY it seems. But as I stated earlier, he's not the only "big" trainer to have rules violations, and maybe they should be put on notice too.

winds

[jrgators]

Horses aren't my livelihood, but I do feel for ANY person loosing their livelihood!

I don't have to like, or dislike ANY trainer to have compassion. The fact that some people have errored shouldn't damn them for life, and over the number of years, I'm sure some have made a mistake. Granted, it appears at though someone making several mistakes isn't looked at the same as others.

Like I said, I don't know the man, but I do feel sorry for him.

I enjoyed watching him with Saint Liam, and with Big Brown. Personality was awesome.

Theo

[Roger]

[quote "Personality was awesome."Theo[/quote]

Did he train Personality?

Personality was one of my favorites and I still can't figure out why he failed stud?

[zinn21]

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for a guy with a history of violations and syringes in his desk drawer etc.. He was clearly a chronic cheat and deserves what was handed to him.

[Shammy Davis]

I don't necessarily agree with all the points in the this article, but it clearly points to what Winds suggests that there are others just as guilty.

. . . Contrast this to trainers in the US such as the incorrigible Richard Dutrow Jr., Jamie Ness or Bob Baffert for example who have averaged a medication violation every 343, 217, and 465 starts respectively. [9].

"In fact of the top 20 trainers by purses won (2010), only two – Christophe Clement and Graham Motion – have never been cited for a medication violation". [10]


Table 1. Repeat Offenders

Frequency of drug violations for horses of the top-earning trainers in the United States (2010)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/sports/04racing.html


Trainer Starts as of Oct 26, 2010 Starts Per Medication Violation

(The first number is starts and second is starts between meds violation.)
Jamie Ness 4,349/ 217
Richard Dutrow Jr. 6,174/ 343
Bob Baffert 9,297/ 465
John Sadler 10,983/ 478
W. Bret Calhoun 7,882/ 525
Kiaran McLaughlin 4,262 / 710
Doug O’Neill 8,872/ 807
Michael Maker 2,650/ 883
Jerry Hollendorfer 24,452/ 978
Steve Asmussen 26,619/ 986
Dale Romans 8,628/ 1,438
Thomas Amoss 9,709/ 1,618
Anthony Dutrow 5,935/ 1,978
Mark Casse 8,214/ 2,054
Todd Pletcher 12,063/ 2,413
William Mott 19,551/ 2,444
Nick Zito 13,394/ 4,465
Roger Attfield 9,123 / 4,562
Christophe Clement 5,973 / 0
Graham Motion 7,659/ 0

Clearly the frequency of these violations together with the fact these individuals continue to train while suspended, regardless of the offense, demonstrates how ludicrous the North American system of penalty enforcement and severity is. Time and time again these trainers circumvent the rules and are rewarded for their penchant to cheat with punishments that all too often are in name only; their stables remain open and their horses are permitted to race, typically under the name of a trustworthy assistant.

In 2006, for example, when Asmussen was suspended by Louisiana authorities when a filly he trained tested 750 times over the legal limit for the local anesthetic mepivacaine, which can deaden pain in a horse’s legs, he turned his horses over to Scott Blasi, his longtime assistant. Blasi won 198 races in 2006 as the Asmussen stable finished the year with more than $14 million in earnings. [11] . . .

http://www.horsefund.org/the-chemical-horse-part-9.php

[ct2346]

[quote "Personality was awesome."Theo

Did he train Personality?

Personality was one of my favorites and I still can't figure out why he failed stud?[/quote]

I think John Jacobs trained Personality, at least during his championship season. His stablemate that year was actually the better horse. Was never impressed by his in and out performance and despite his gorgeous pedigree never thought he's do anything great at stud....

[Roger]

I loved High Echelon too, but I had and still have a problem with Belmont winners as sires. High Echelon was a great two year old and that made me like him.

[kimberley mine]

(The first number is starts and second is starts between meds violation.)
Jamie Ness 4,349/ 217
Richard Dutrow Jr. 6,174/ 343
Bob Baffert 9,297/ 465
John Sadler 10,983/ 478
W. Bret Calhoun 7,882/ 525
Kiaran McLaughlin 4,262 / 710
Doug O’Neill 8,872/ 807
Michael Maker 2,650/ 883
Jerry Hollendorfer 24,452/ 978
Steve Asmussen 26,619/ 986
Dale Romans 8,628/ 1,438
Thomas Amoss 9,709/ 1,618
Anthony Dutrow 5,935/ 1,978
Mark Casse 8,214/ 2,054
Todd Pletcher 12,063/ 2,413
William Mott 19,551/ 2,444
Nick Zito 13,394/ 4,465
Roger Attfield 9,123 / 4,562
Christophe Clement 5,973 / 0
Graham Motion 7,659/ 0

Ahahaha, Shammy, you have dangled a dataset in front of me. Buckle up, statistics are coming.

If you go the other way, what is the total number of positive tests for this dataset?

R Dutrow--18
Baffert--20
Pletcher--5
Romans--6
Casse--4
Sadler--23
Hollendorfer--25
Asmussen--27
Mott--8
Zito--3

These ten trainers have an average of 13937 starts and 14 bad tests in whatever time period this is (I'm assuming it's all the same time period, for simplicity). Some look rosy and some look crappy.

Next step is to normalise the number of starts to the average. This is important--otherwise, you aren't making a valid comparison between trainers. If you normalise each of the above trainers' starts to the average, and use that to calculate the average expected number of bad tests, then the picture looks very different:

R Dutrow--41
Baffert--30
Sadler--30
Hollendorfer--14
Asmussen--14
Romans--10
Casse--7
Pletcher--6
Mott--5
Zito--3

Once you've normalised it for number of starts, the difference between Dutrow and everybody else really jumps out at you. For every 14,000 starts, he would get almost three times as many bad tests as Hollendorfer or Asmussen and 25% more bad tests than Romans, Casse, Pletcher, Mott, and Zito combined.

That is what the NYRA mean by a serial violator.