NCAA ruling on Paterno and Penn State--what about Dutrow?

[Barcaldine]

Now that's what I call swift justice. It's nice to know that somewhere in this world there are high-profile leaders who actually make tough decisions.

This announcement--so contrary to the punishments levied by the racing world--only further denigrates the integrity of the Thoroughbred sport. Our "leaders'" unwillingness to ban Dutrow for life for his DOZENS of drug violations makes clear to the world that racing has no backbone.

Trainers like Dutrow (and the owners and vets who participate in drug abuse) should be shown the door---permanently.

[griff]

What the NCAA did to Penn State is equivalent to limiting the races at Churchil Downs to only claiming and allowance race because Dutrow trained there.

True Paterno and his staff made a grave error when they elected to look the other way; however, when a ship runs aground, the Captian and probably his staff are fired, even if it was 3:00 AM and all were asleep.

However, you don't decommission the ship because it's captain screwed up. And you don't punish the enlisted sailors. OR Penn State football players and students because the Captian screwed-up.

If any of the existingPenn State players want to have a crack at playing professional football, they are going to have to find another school to take them; i.e., do we also ban all horses Dutrow ever trained from running in a Stakes or Graded Stakes race??

What did the players do to deserve this??

Actually, while the school is responsible for who they hire, I think the NCAA punishment of the school was an over reaction. Again, the school made an error in not enough oversight but the school itself did not try a cover up or do any evil.

Prehaps some jail time for Paterno and his staff is in order; however, to distory football at Penn State, maybe forever, is not justified.

griff

[JimP]

"Prehaps some jail time for Paterno and his staff is in order."

That might be a little tough for Mr Paterno!

[ElPrado]

Would they dig his coffin up and stick it in the jail's refrigerator?

[griff]

Sorry, did not know he had died. But that is really not the point, is it?

Just saw a news story about a prest in Philly getting 6 years for sexually molesting a child. Don't claim to have all the facts but suspect that is it; i.e., nothing in the story about anyone above him being fired of even disciplined.

Also no news about his parish or church being but on probation or restricted from anything.

Whether Joe is dead or not, I still believe the NCAA did irrevocable harm to an institution and program that did nothing wrong.

griff

[ElPrado]

Naah, that's the point. It did nothing. There were coaches that did know, and told Paterno, but no one did a thing to stop it. http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162 ... rue-legacy
Including Paterno.

[griff]

Agree, all that giggleg and looked away, or just looked away, should be punished.. Maybe that includes some players, some of the student body and/or school officials, and if so they should get their just rewards

But not the entire team, not the entire student body and not the entire school..

Again, according to the TV this AM, a Priest in Philly was caught sexually molesting children. He was arrested, tried and sentenced; end of the child molestation. No actions against the superiors or the church or parish.

Whats the difference ? except perhaps Priest molesting children is old hat.

griff

[pfrsue]

Anyone who let those victims down should be fired, fined and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Turning a blind eye to Sandusky was despicable and they deserve whatever punishment they get. Heck, I don't even have a problem with removing Paterno's statue. Fine the college even. They had crappy people in charge.

But I do question hamstringing the entire football program and vacating all of the victories going back so many years. Can't they remove Paterno as the coach of record without erasing the players' hard work and effort somehow? It's not like the players were the ones guilty of misconduct. And why leave this year's team out in the cold? Where are they going to transfer and have a hope of starting when it's this late in the summer?

[KBEquine]

But I do question hamstringing the entire football program and vacating all of the victories going back so many years. Can't they remove Paterno as the coach of record without erasing the players' hard work and effort somehow? It's not like the players were the ones guilty of misconduct. And why leave this year's team out in the cold? Where are they going to transfer and have a hope of starting when it's this late in the summer?

Agreed.

The $60 million NCAA fine was high, but I don't question the amount. I question the NCAA taking it & donating it to a child molestation awareness organization BEFORE Sandusky's victims get a chance at the money. What good does that do for Sandusky's victims?

I see Penn State & the NCAA posturing to show who is cleaner, now. With Penn State trying to limit future damage as a litigation strategy for the upcoming civil suits.

And those players from 1998 through 2011 who suddenly went from national champions to having won zero games in their college career, and those current players . . . collateral damage in the eyes of the NCAA & Penn State.

By the way - I believe a Philadelphia bishop or other higher church official was just convicted for protecting the priest who was a known pedophile, also convicted earlier. Again, prosecuted by the PA Office of the Attorney General.

[griff]

Good to hear the PA Attorney General went after those that protected the offender.

Now, what about the $60 million fine of the church and banning it from participating in any church or otherwise major events outside their parish?

I think it goes something like; "All the animals on the animal farm are equal, but some are more equal than others".

griff

[pfrsue]

Good to hear the PA Attorney General went after those that protected the offender.

Now, what about the $60 million fine of the church and banning it from participating in any church or otherwise major events outside their parish?

If you and I are following the same story, it wasn't a parish, it was a diocese. It wasn't a priest, it was a monsignor--the secretary of the clergy for the Philadelphia diocese. And he wasn't a pedophile, he was the church official who had the responsibility for investigating sex abuse claims in the Philadelphia diocese from 1992-2004. It sounds like his idea of investigating was transferring them to new parishes who had no idea what they were getting. Other children were molested because of those transfers, and as a result, the monsignor got 3-6 years in prison.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-monsignor-sente ... 49824.html

So, my answer is the same. Punish the people who committed the acts. Punish the people who covered it up. But don't punish the parishioners. I think they've been punished enough already.

[Sysonby]

The original post was apples and pears to the Dutrow situation. NCAA was already the centralized authority that racing lacks and before this decision was renowned for dragging its collective feet as to punishment (how many years did the Reggie Bush decision take?) But there is a quantum ethical leap between tacky recruiting violations and knowingly abetting a child predator operating at your university when he was recruiting his victims by his very prominence in your organization and doing so for decades. This is the NCAA's Waterloo and they knew it.

Tell me what Dutrow did that is even remotely close to Sandusky's crimes.

[Barcaldine]

Sysonby, I was not likening the two crimes. I was illustrating the difference between strong and weak decision-making skills in the sporting world.

[Sysonby]

Sysonby, I was not likening the two crimes. I was illustrating the difference between strong and weak decision-making skills in the sporting world.

And I guess the point I was making is when they have a Dutrow equivalent issue ie Reggie Bush who was playing in the NFL 4 years later before the punishment was actually meted, the NCAA is no different.

This situation with Penn State is so unique I'm not sure it's comparable at all.

[Barcaldine]

As a kid I was molested so I am grateful that severe punishments are at last being meted out to the perpetrators. I just wish that racing authorities used the same strong upper hand that the NCAA did in this instance.