Sutherland off Game On Dude

[bdw0617]

The only reason she has remained on the horse this long is because the partner who died last year, had wanted her to ride him.
I mean come on, I have a horse running for 3 million bucks, and I can have Rafael Bejerano or Chantal Sutherland. It's a no brainer.
I also heard that Sutherland told people she would not ride at Fairplex because she was a top rider and that was beneath her. Some trainers were not too impressed.

lol no one rides fairplex. the only pepole who ride fairplex is flores beucase that's the only time of the year he will sniff being first call for anyone. it's everyone's 3 week vacation from racing. most trainers don't even bother for the most part

fairplex basically consists of the people who ride the northern fair circuits.

[bdw0617]

I mean, I just don't like this at all. this reeks of horse racing karma.

I mean, what has she done wrong?


here is a fascinating stat for you about Chantel and Game on dude.. I wager a lot of money and I keep meticulous records of all this stuff


When Chantel rides Game on Dude and they race on fast dirt track, their overall record

4 starts 3 wins (3 graded ) 1 second



yet....

she's off the horse.


Game On dude's overall record himself on a fast dirt track he has won over 50% of his starts. yet he has only made 1 dirt start all year...

and this is Chantel's fault? seriously? '

that peeves me off. Just trying to pass the buck to someone else when it's his fault. you find what a horse does and you do it. he's playing hte price is right with the horse going whereever they are throwing money and now someone has to pay for it.

i believe in karma and G.O.D won't run a step tomorrow.

[bdw0617]

what makes me mad about today's race is everone will say it's the right call to replace chantel with Bejerano beucase he won, but the 3 times that Chantel has rode G.O.D in these conditions (fast dirt) she's won.

I really feel bad for her here. horse has been spotted shitty all year long, Baffert uses her as a scapegoat while putting the horse back on fast dirt which was the problem all along, then passes it on like changing jockeis was the reason he won today

[karenkarenn]

I think your right

[Jane]

Chantal failed the breathalyzer yesterday at Woodbine and has been suspended for 5 days. Looks like she came up to ride her brothers horse Awesome Fire in the Carotene Stakes but never got the chance.

Last time she rode this horse at WB she got fined $3,000.00 for excessive use of the whip.

[bdw0617]

meh. saturday night, maybe had one too many. not the biggest of deals

[Jane]

I think the Ontario Racing Commission would disagree with you. Also some very ticked off trainers/owners who had lined her up to ride. Not very professional if you are billing yourself as a top shelf rider.

[TJ]

Now that it came out...may be why Baffert didn't have anything to say about why he fired her? The backstretch knows what goes on long before you read it in the paper. Remember when Kent Desormeaux started losing mounts? That was the reason why... everyone knew he was drinking again. Shortly after that Kent started failing his breathalyzer tests....now Chantal, let's hope she has it under control. TJ

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s ... ohol-test/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/sport ... .html?_r=0

[bdw0617]

Now that it came out...may be why Baffert didn't have anything to say about why he fired her? The backstretch knows what goes on long before you read it in the paper. Remember when Kent Desormeaux started losing mounts? That was the reason why... everyone knew he was drinking again. Shortly after that Kent started failing his breathalyzer tests....now Chantal, let's hope she has it under control. TJ

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s ... ohol-test/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/sport ... .html?_r=0

while a good point, that's not a conclusion that i would be ready to jump to unless you know something i don't.

I mean we've all been there. The only difference between her and you and I is that we don't get breathalyzed everyday when we go to work. Go out on a Saturday night, nice dinner, order a bottle of wine, maybe a few cocktails, one turns into 4, meh.

I think the more logical, at least to me, conclusion is that, she's been a jockey for well over a decade I believe. She generally knows how much she can have to drink and pass the next morning. however, if she went out friday night as well and had a few drinks, there would still be some left in her system that if combined with what she had to drink on saturday, would tip the BL to a higher percentage than it would usually be. It's like a guy who does coke, and does enough that where it shoudl be out of his system in 3 days, however 3 days before he did that, he did coke then to so there is still some in his system combined with what he took that he would still be dirty.

i have not seen anything else that would suggest that she has a problem with alcohol so i am going to give her the benefit of the doubt. that's an accusation i take seriously

[Jane]

What I do take seriously is that she showed up for work with enough alcohol in her system to get her taken off mounts for 5 days. Woodbine normally does not give you 5 day suspensions unless you blow way over the limit or if it's not your first offence.

I (thankfully) don't know the details of her previous nights escapades but I believe a responsible mature woman should know her limits. If she's out drinking then do the right thing and call in sick the next day. At the very least she should not be willing to endanger the lives of fellow jockeys and horses by riding under the influence.

[TJ]

Now that it came out...may be why Baffert didn't have anything to say about why he fired her? The backstretch knows what goes on long before you read it in the paper. Remember when Kent Desormeaux started losing mounts? That was the reason why... everyone knew he was drinking again. Shortly after that Kent started failing his breathalyzer tests....now Chantal, let's hope she has it under control. TJ

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s ... ohol-test/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/sport ... .html?_r=0

while a good point, that's not a conclusion that i would be ready to jump to unless you know something i don't.

I mean we've all been there. The only difference between her and you and I is that we don't get breathalyzed everyday when we go to work. Go out on a Saturday night, nice dinner, order a bottle of wine, maybe a few cocktails, one turns into 4, meh.

I think the more logical, at least to me, conclusion is that, she's been a jockey for well over a decade I believe. She generally knows how much she can have to drink and pass the next morning. however, if she went out friday night as well and had a few drinks, there would still be some left in her system that if combined with what she had to drink on saturday, would tip the BL to a higher percentage than it would usually be. It's like a guy who does coke, and does enough that where it shoudl be out of his system in 3 days, however 3 days before he did that, he did coke then to so there is still some in his system combined with what he took that he would still be dirty.

i have not seen anything else that would suggest that she has a problem with alcohol so i am going to give her the benefit of the doubt. that's an accusation i take seriously

Hi bdw,
She's a rider and she came to work with a high blood alcohol level. Ask yourself why they tested her in the first place? She was returning to her country and the first thing they do is greet her with a breathalyzer test? I didn't accuse her of anything other than what she was proven to have done...she came to work ill prepared to ride and unless they were tipped off in Canada, then she probably looked like she was unable to perform her duty. I said I hope she has a handle on it and I do. I've seen too many good rider's mess up like this. I don't need to know about any of the ways she can avoid testing positive....she's an athlete and as long as she wants to be a licensed race rider she has to follow the rules. TJ

[pfrsue]

She generally knows how much she can have to drink and pass the next morning. however, if she went out friday night as well and had a few drinks, there would still be some left in her system that if combined with what she had to drink on saturday, would tip the BL to a higher percentage than it would usually be.

Are you saying she was drinking Saturday morning and it's no big deal? Or are you thinking that she was first taken off her mounts on Sunday?

Regardless, Friday night drinks should have been out of her system by Saturday, since she wasn't tested until around noon. If it wasn't her first offense, she blew between a .04 and a .079 according to the article. That's pretty significant. (If it was her first offense, I can only guess that she must have really tied one one, or drank in the morning.)

FYI:

Alcohol is metabolized at the rate of .015 of blood alcohol concentration (BAC) every hour. Thus a person with a very high BAC of .15 will have no measurable alcohol in the bloodstream after ten hours (.15 divided by .015 = 10). Here are some other examples:

BAC Level / Metabolism Time in Hours
.10-----------6.66
.08-----------5.33
.05-----------3.33
.02-----------1.33
source: http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Drivin ... 27453.html

Yeah, I think it was a pretty big deal if she tested around noon, as the article conjectures she did.

[bdw0617]

Now that it came out...may be why Baffert didn't have anything to say about why he fired her? The backstretch knows what goes on long before you read it in the paper. Remember when Kent Desormeaux started losing mounts? That was the reason why... everyone knew he was drinking again. Shortly after that Kent started failing his breathalyzer tests....now Chantal, let's hope she has it under control. TJ

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s ... ohol-test/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/sport ... .html?_r=0

while a good point, that's not a conclusion that i would be ready to jump to unless you know something i don't.

I mean we've all been there. The only difference between her and you and I is that we don't get breathalyzed everyday when we go to work. Go out on a Saturday night, nice dinner, order a bottle of wine, maybe a few cocktails, one turns into 4, meh.

I think the more logical, at least to me, conclusion is that, she's been a jockey for well over a decade I believe. She generally knows how much she can have to drink and pass the next morning. however, if she went out friday night as well and had a few drinks, there would still be some left in her system that if combined with what she had to drink on saturday, would tip the BL to a higher percentage than it would usually be. It's like a guy who does coke, and does enough that where it shoudl be out of his system in 3 days, however 3 days before he did that, he did coke then to so there is still some in his system combined with what he took that he would still be dirty.

i have not seen anything else that would suggest that she has a problem with alcohol so i am going to give her the benefit of the doubt. that's an accusation i take seriously

Hi bdw,
She's a rider and she came to work with a high blood alcohol level. Ask yourself why they tested her in the first place? She was returning to her country and the first thing they do is greet her with a breathalyzer test? I didn't accuse her of anything other than what she was proven to have done...she came to work ill prepared to ride and unless they were tipped off in Canada, then she probably looked like she was unable to perform her duty. I said I hope she has a handle on it and I do. I've seen too many good rider's mess up like this. I don't need to know about any of the ways she can avoid testing positive....she's an athlete and as long as she wants to be a licensed race rider she has to follow the rules. TJ

well i was working under the assumption that Breathalzyers were standard operating procedure, like you had to pass one before you were able to ride. maybe i assumed too much

[bdw0617]

She generally knows how much she can have to drink and pass the next morning. however, if she went out friday night as well and had a few drinks, there would still be some left in her system that if combined with what she had to drink on saturday, would tip the BL to a higher percentage than it would usually be.

Are you saying she was drinking Saturday morning and it's no big deal? Or are you thinking that she was first taken off her mounts on Sunday?

Regardless, Friday night drinks should have been out of her system by Saturday, since she wasn't tested until around noon. If it wasn't her first offense, she blew between a .04 and a .079 according to the article. That's pretty significant. (If it was her first offense, I can only guess that she must have really tied one one, or drank in the morning.)

FYI:

Alcohol is metabolized at the rate of .015 of blood alcohol concentration (BAC) every hour. Thus a person with a very high BAC of .15 will have no measurable alcohol in the bloodstream after ten hours (.15 divided by .015 = 10). Here are some other examples:

BAC Level / Metabolism Time in Hours
.10-----------6.66
.08-----------5.33
.05-----------3.33
.02-----------1.33
source: http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Drivin ... 27453.html

Yeah, I think it was a pretty big deal if she tested around noon, as the article conjectures she did.

you are talking to a recovered cocaine addict, there is nothing you can tell me about drug tests, blood alcohol content that i don't already know first hand.

I mean i am not necessarily defending her; but I mean, I'm just not that quick to call someone an alcoholic.

under your circumstances i see your point.. say she drank friday night.. she still had to ride somewhere Saturday which means she was more drunk Saturday morning than she was when she failed the breathalyzer.

I mean I see your point; that's why you have a jock agent, if you have had too much take the day off. no harm no foul. I'm not saying she's not at fault. I'm just saying honestly, I can think of a few times I've done some type of work where I was more than hung over and just had to gut that stuff out lol. I'm juts saying let's not act like this is some type of national tragedy or something,s he had a few too many. people have lapses in judgement for whatever the reason may be. Although she is in the wrong i'm just not ready to nail her tot he cross unless this is a repeat of behavior. IN other words, I'm not going to make the jump from a failed Breathalyzer on Sunday, October 7th, to Baffert toook her off Game on Dude in early September beucase she's an alcoholic.

[pfrsue]

But even the test is just a standard operating procedure (which I doubt because it would be time consuming to test every single jockey) that doesn't change the fact that she was taken off horses for five days because of the results of that test.