If I want to move a horse that is " In Jail " off a claim. Can the racing secretary at the track where she was claimed REFUSE to give the new owner ( me ) her papers. I have no intention of trying to go around the " jail " rule, but want to move the horse to a different track in a different state. I want custody of her papers until her jail time is up. Besides, my understanding after having made a phone call to the new track is that the racing secretary/stewards at the " new" track would enforce the " jail " rule. Anybody know for sure?
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Texas Tea
Racing Secretary/Papers/In Jail
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wilf
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As a rule you can move your horse wherever you wish but the current track will not give you the papers until the jail time is up unless the stewards allow you to run in a stake race at another track. Some tracks require the papers to be in the race office after a short time if you have been given stalls at that track ,ie the new track of your choice, that rule may prevent you from gaining stalls until the papers are in your possession. These rules are in place to protect the horse numbers at the track and help them survive and hopefully prosper through the term of the meet bearing in mind that the track provides free stabling for owners/trainers.
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Barcaldine
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A court case brought by Jerry Jamgotchian against the state of California resulted in the overturn of the jail rule there. I have to agree with him---it's a property rights issue, which supercedes any "rights" the track may assume.
However, the ruling is good only in CA. It will take an action in other states to level the playing field.
However, the ruling is good only in CA. It will take an action in other states to level the playing field.
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wilf
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I am of the opinion that owners and trainers are given stalls at the track under a signed agreement which is the stall application. The rules are there for good reason to help a track to maintain horse population and help fill cards. If you don't want to abide by the rules of the track then don't ask for stalls. If you just ship in to race then I would feel a little peeved but owners and trainers know the rules of the game starting off and should not expect to be treated any differently than the next guy. Just enter in a stake race out of state and see what happens,you may get a sympathetic hearing from the stewards.
Re: Racing Secretary/Papers/In Jail
[quote="texas tea"]If I want to move a horse that is " In Jail " off a claim. Can the racing secretary at the track where she was claimed REFUSE to give the new owner ( me ) her papers. I have no intention of trying to go around the " jail " rule, but want to move the horse to a different track in a different state. I want custody of her papers until her jail time is up. Besides, my understanding after having made a phone call to the new track is that the racing secretary/stewards at the " new" track would enforce the " jail " rule. Anybody know for sure?
Thanks,
Texas Tea[/quote]
Who did you claim?
Thanks,
Texas Tea[/quote]
Who did you claim?
[quote="wilf"]As a rule you can move your horse wherever you wish but the current track will not give you the papers until the jail time is up unless the stewards allow you to run in a stake race at another track. Some tracks require the papers to be in the race office after a short time if you have been given stalls at that track ,ie the new track of your choice, that rule may prevent you from gaining stalls until the papers are in your possession. These rules are in place to protect the horse numbers at the track and help them survive and hopefully prosper through the term of the meet bearing in mind that the track provides free stabling for owners/trainers.[/quote]
Incorrect. You can take papers out in some states but you cant run the horse somewhere else until jail time is up. Ive done it before. Its your papers yopu can do what you want with them.
Incorrect. You can take papers out in some states but you cant run the horse somewhere else until jail time is up. Ive done it before. Its your papers yopu can do what you want with them.
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Sylvie Hebert
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You can move the horse,sell it with the papers or else but it has to run at that track only while "in jail".They cannot "hold" onto the horse papers really,but when a horse is claimed you have to respect the rules of the claim.
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Barcaldine wrote:A court case brought by Jerry Jamgotchian against the state of California resulted in the overturn of the jail rule there. I have to agree with him---it's a property rights issue, which supercedes any "rights" the track may assume.
However, the ruling is good only in CA. It will take an action in other states to level the playing field.
Because I did claim her in Calif., I should be able to get the papers right away instead of waiting any time period, if I ask for them now. Correct?
Thanks,
Texas Tea