I have a Majesty's Prince mare her name is Moxie
2000 filly by Always Fair.32,000
2001 g by scatmandu 10,803 sold for 15,000 and 30,000
2002 dead foal by deerhound
2003 barren clever trick
2004 colt by matty g
2005 filly by scatmandu
I'm thinking about foal sharing next year looking for the right stallion .
Looking for the right stallion
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KamiBrooks
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Kami, foal sharing usually means something to the effect that the stallion owner waives the stud fee in return for 50% of the proceeds of the sale of the offspring. Other variations, the stallion owner takes the first foal and then returns the mare in foal to the same stallion so the mare owner gets the second one... there are other variations.
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Madelyn,
Thanks for the info. I was imagining a split on training/racing.. never thought about sales (I'm stricktly on the breed-to-race side of life). This seems like it would happen more often on the commercial breeding side.
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On the 1st foal/2nd foal split deal, does the mare stay with the stallion owner for the first year? Do these deals generally work out okay or are they prone to any sort of problems? If I were the stud owner, I would want to keep the mare with me so I can control her nutrition/trims/vetting, etc. On the other hand, if I were the mare owner, I'd want her home for same reasons.
Thanks for the info. I was imagining a split on training/racing.. never thought about sales (I'm stricktly on the breed-to-race side of life). This seems like it would happen more often on the commercial breeding side.
To anyone
On the 1st foal/2nd foal split deal, does the mare stay with the stallion owner for the first year? Do these deals generally work out okay or are they prone to any sort of problems? If I were the stud owner, I would want to keep the mare with me so I can control her nutrition/trims/vetting, etc. On the other hand, if I were the mare owner, I'd want her home for same reasons.
Kami -
I have done a mare lease w/breedback (1st year/2nd year) twice now - although neither have been for TB stock (both warmblood babies). One was a few years ago, and the other is just beginning. On both occassions the mare stayed with the stallion owner. They assume the costs for everything for basically 18 months (breeding through weaning). My first experince was a disaster with the mare almost dying and not being re-bred. I started with a really nice mare that became questionable as far as breeding soundness and no foal. I made a very iron-clad lease agreement this time around, so hopefully everything goes as planned. Let me know if you would like a copy of the lease. Good luck.
I have done a mare lease w/breedback (1st year/2nd year) twice now - although neither have been for TB stock (both warmblood babies). One was a few years ago, and the other is just beginning. On both occassions the mare stayed with the stallion owner. They assume the costs for everything for basically 18 months (breeding through weaning). My first experince was a disaster with the mare almost dying and not being re-bred. I started with a really nice mare that became questionable as far as breeding soundness and no foal. I made a very iron-clad lease agreement this time around, so hopefully everything goes as planned. Let me know if you would like a copy of the lease. Good luck.
Hi Kami,
The responses to your question are correct but foal shares, mare shares or any agreement between two (or more) owners is negotiable and will differ within the context of the deal made.
The more one side brings to the table, the more leverage they have in negotiation. Basically you need to evaluate what you are being asked to give in the deal and see if it makes sense for you.
I think it would be a good idea for most of the forum members to think of being creative when evaluating potential matings. Too often I see folks say that they can't afford a stallion - and that may be so, but in certain circumstances a deal can be structured that could benefit both parties.
This past year I was able to arrange a pair of foal shares for a client to a well established stallion ($20,000 fee) on a 60% (for the mare owner) / 40% (stallion owner) split on sales proceeds. One mare has a decent pedigree, the other doesn’t but when the stallion was a little light in his book, coupled with the clients exceptional reputation for raising young stock, the second deal fell into place.
On a more expensive stallion ($60,000 fee) I was only able to get a 50%/50% split, even though the mare was stakes placed, by a commercial stallion and had a deep pedigree.
I was turned down on several foal and mare share requests as well. Some farms won't even consider them.
It is rare that the stallion owner will be willing to accept any financial responsibility for the pregnant mare or resulting foal. In some cases you can negotiate 'front' money that is really sales proceeds that offset some of the costs for the mare owner.
You have to be realistic. If you have an unproven mare with a light pedigree and a modest race record, you don't have a lot of leverage.
I put a G2 SW producer to a $75,000 stallion on a 60%/40% split (50%/50% for all proceeds over $500,000) with $16,000 front money. It was a nice deal but the mare lost the foal.
There are a multitude of smaller issues that you need to consider as well, but in the end if you're creative and realistic, shares can be a good vehicle to profitability. Understand what you're getting into and see if it makes sense. Free seasons to stallions that don't serve your purposes make no sense.
Regards,
Pete
The responses to your question are correct but foal shares, mare shares or any agreement between two (or more) owners is negotiable and will differ within the context of the deal made.
The more one side brings to the table, the more leverage they have in negotiation. Basically you need to evaluate what you are being asked to give in the deal and see if it makes sense for you.
I think it would be a good idea for most of the forum members to think of being creative when evaluating potential matings. Too often I see folks say that they can't afford a stallion - and that may be so, but in certain circumstances a deal can be structured that could benefit both parties.
This past year I was able to arrange a pair of foal shares for a client to a well established stallion ($20,000 fee) on a 60% (for the mare owner) / 40% (stallion owner) split on sales proceeds. One mare has a decent pedigree, the other doesn’t but when the stallion was a little light in his book, coupled with the clients exceptional reputation for raising young stock, the second deal fell into place.
On a more expensive stallion ($60,000 fee) I was only able to get a 50%/50% split, even though the mare was stakes placed, by a commercial stallion and had a deep pedigree.
I was turned down on several foal and mare share requests as well. Some farms won't even consider them.
It is rare that the stallion owner will be willing to accept any financial responsibility for the pregnant mare or resulting foal. In some cases you can negotiate 'front' money that is really sales proceeds that offset some of the costs for the mare owner.
You have to be realistic. If you have an unproven mare with a light pedigree and a modest race record, you don't have a lot of leverage.
I put a G2 SW producer to a $75,000 stallion on a 60%/40% split (50%/50% for all proceeds over $500,000) with $16,000 front money. It was a nice deal but the mare lost the foal.
There are a multitude of smaller issues that you need to consider as well, but in the end if you're creative and realistic, shares can be a good vehicle to profitability. Understand what you're getting into and see if it makes sense. Free seasons to stallions that don't serve your purposes make no sense.
Regards,
Pete
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This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms
This stallion is DNA ... all foal can be MBNA inrolled.
Horses like their credit cards. - Four Forty Farms