Opinions on my mares pedigree please

[Jessi P]

BJ............... see "PM" below... for private messaging. If I am going to give someone APR info I do it in a PM instead of on the board.

[BJ]

BJ............... see "PM" below... for private messaging. If I am going to give someone APR info I do it in a PM instead of on the board.

Oh...well...duh You don't have to hit me over the head or anything Thanks.

Anyway...I *think* it is *ok* to post the APR "when used as an educational tool". When we used to post it online, it was for purpose of not only *giving requested info*, but also for purpose of eliciting commentary from other breeders. I do believe that is legal.

[seabiscuit]

I hope this mare wouldn't be used for race breeding.

This is her and her siblings record



MOTHER
SELBIRRI, 1979, Sibirri- Sel Easy by Selectus.
YRS ST WN PL SH EARNED SR SSI

1984 Ice N' Time,c,Ice Age 7 93 10 13 11 23,999
SSI 0.41

1985 Age Of Ice,c,Ice Age 2 7 0 0 0 44
SSI 0.00

1990 Clear Ice,c,Ice Age 5 42 4 3 4 32,596
SSI 0.54

1991 Black Ice Two,f,Ice Age 1 2 0 0 0 0
SSI 0.00

1992 Barren

1993 Sheza Ice Age,f,Ice Age 3 27 3 1 4 10,869
SSI 0.23

1994 I'm A Love Me Too,g,Ice Age 3 25 5 3 1 12,107
SSI 0.24

1995 Selbirri's Love,f,Ice Age 1 5 0 0 0 1,015
SSI 0.09

2nd DAM

1997 Sahara Sands,f,Royal Egyptian Unraced
EL EASY, 1970, Selectus- Breathe Easy by Breathing Time.

1976 Sel Rose,f,Lucky Fleet 2 4 0 0 1 448
SSI 0.15

1977 The Brown Bagger,c,Lucky Mel 4 20 4 3 1 6,634
SSI 0.40

1978 Kloned,c,*Petrone 1 14 1 1 4 4,941 SSI 0.36

1979 Selbirri,f,Sibirri 1 8 0 0 1 1,367
SSI 0.18

1980 Sel Don B.,c,Don B. 2 13 0 1 0 757 SSI 0.05

1981 Sel Easy Pro,f,High Places 1 2 0 0 0 0 SSI0.00

1982 Easy Chief,c,Delaware Chief 3 15 2 3 2 6,100 SSI 0.42

1983 Barren

1984 Easy Symphony,f,Mendel 3 35 3 2 5 4,559 SSI 0.12

1985 Mendal's Favorite,f,Mendel Unraced

1986 Selective Rose,f,Carachi Unraced

1987 Time Selection,c,Carachi Unraced

1988 Easy Time Lady,f,Saros (Gb) Unraced

1989 Tropical Excersion,g,Saros (Gb) 1 2 0 0 2 3,375
SSI 1.06

1990 Barren

[BJ]

The only comment I would make is the mother mixed well with ICE AGE, so she might cross well with the likes of Siberian Summer or a son of ICECAPADE (if any are left). But, I can tell you from experience...perhaps Michael can also add insight here, Icecapade line foals need patience and a good foundation under them before racing them. No running in their two year old year (unless very late, like Nov, Dec.)

Of course, if not in CA, Siberian Summer wouldn't work, unless Michael is planning on taking him on tour

[Bill from WA]

Free At Last, (Wild Again) a grandson of Icecapade, who stands here in Washington, sires very precocious runners, and was the Canadian Champion two-year-old himself. But, I agree with BJ, that many Icecapades need a little time to mature.

Bill

[Guest]

Now bj and bill why would either one of you give advice on breeding a mare you yourself would never breed ? You both know darn well her foals would never make her owner a profit, or break even for that matter. Thats why she ended up where she did.
Quit giving people false hope. Nicking don't mean nothing if nobody in the family could run.

[Bill from WA]

Hi Inbreeding

If you go back to page one of this thread, you will see that I advised (just my opinion) against breeding this mare for a racing thoroughbred, but was of the opinion that she might do well in the sport horse arena. My comments in my last post were regarding Icecapade.

Respectfully,

Bill

[BJ]

Inbreeding,

1) I wasn't giving anyone advice; I was merely commenting on the appearance of an affinity toward a certain sireline with the Dam;

2) If truth be told, and most will verify this that know me, or have heard me on MY SOAPBOX, I would be for a moritorium(sp?) on breeding UNTIL there are laws & regs in place protecting all the unwanted racehorses brought into this world every year;

3) You can't judge what any of these foals chances are/were (from the Dam's produce record) unless you know who the trainer was and where they were running and how they were prepared for racing. So blanket statements that none of them could run is IMO, totally lacking in perspective, or as Pete would put it "rumination";

4) IF, someone is going to breed, I would rather they have SOME insight into what seemed to work well than none at all; and

5) Last, but certainly NOT LEAST...most breeders and people who own racehorses DON'T MAKE A PROFIT. That's the almost comical stupidity of all this mass breeding, IMO. It's only the trainers and the jockeys making money for the mostpart. Didn't someone post the percentages of making a profit? Or maybe that was one of the ExcellerFund.org threads.

Anyway...quit getting your panties in a stitch...I'm the last person to ENCOURAGE people to JUST BREED!

[Bill from WA]

There once was a mare named Inchbonny, who a non-winner in three races, and managed to place just once. Inchbonny had 5 foals and no winners. One of her daughters, the unraced Paradoxical, was the dam of one modest winner. One of Paradoxical's daughters was Doxa, who was unplaced in 2 starts on the racetrack. Doxa produced no winners. One of Doxa's daughters, the unraced Lady of Pedigree, was and the dam of 2 modest winners on the flat. One of those winners (of one race) was Helene de Troie, who was the dam of a filly who just managed one place, and one show in 7 starts. Her name was La Troienne.

Bill

[BJ]

Bill,

Much thanks for both your Icecapade input and your last post re: La Troienne. In particular, the last post brought home the absolute UNCERTAINTY in breeding racehorses.

Hmm...does it come down to heart and attitude in all things successful?

[seabiscuit]

Very well put BJ and Bill from WA. But my question in agreement with Inbreeding is how well would you be able to sell a foal out of a mare like that ? You wouldn't even get a bid, not only that chances are the foal would probably run just like the rest of the family no matter who the trainer was. Just a statistical fact. Now a sport horse mare thats another story.

[feanixrising]

Ok So it is pretty much in agreement that my mare would not be a good candidate for a TB race horse broodmare and I fully understand the reasoning behind it. It is fun to have pipe dreams but I am realistic and never thought of it as any reality anyhow. As I said she was bought as a riding horse.
Sporthorse broodmare has been mentioned several times though. Is there something in her pedigree that you see that would be an advantage ? What traits or characteristics does she bring into the mix that are benefits ? What about weaknesses?
Those are things that would be very neat to know so if I did decide to breed her for a sporthorse I could concentrate on finding a stallion who could improve on her weaknesses and her his.
This is so very neat and informative. What a great board. Thank you for all your help.