I've got a freeze brand and no name!

[fourh mom]

I've got a TB who has a freeze brand on his neck "86120". Can anyone give me any information on him? I would love to know his age and his breeding.

Thanks! sylvia

[Jessi P]

Its probably a standardbred, not a TB.

[Crystal]

nobody in racing freeze brands, they only tattoo the upper lip. He/She may have been a ranch horse at one time?

[Jessi P]

Standardbreds are freeze branded. At least they were when I worked with them about 5 years ago.

[Jessi P]

Looks like you might be able to do it for free here?


http://pathway.ustrotting.com/search/index.cfm

"Horse Name/Tattoo Search
Use this function to identify a horse when you only have a partial name or tattoo number or to obtain a horse's registration information for filling out USTA forms.
The Freeze Brand/Tattoo or Horse Name are required to perform a search. Optionally narrow your search by specifying the Color, Sex, or Year of Foal date range. "

[fourh mom]

Looks like you might be able to do it for free here?


http://pathway.ustrotting.com/search/index.cfm

"Horse Name/Tattoo Search
Use this function to identify a horse when you only have a partial name or tattoo number or to obtain a horse's registration information for filling out USTA forms.
The Freeze Brand/Tattoo or Horse Name are required to perform a search. Optionally narrow your search by specifying the Color, Sex, or Year of Foal date range. "

Thanks for the info. I was told he was a TB, never thought about SB. The information I have is that he was raced but was too slow and laidback for it. He was trained as a jumper and sold for about $3500 a few years ago. He's on up there... maybe 17? I'm in Mississippi and I'm supposing he was bred/raced here.

The search for the freeze brand on this link turned up nothing. Is there any other way to find out about him? sylvia

[chiggins6]

Correct me, everyone else; I could be wrong, but I don't think I am:

If he was raced or at least registered as a TB, then he will have a lip tatoo (could be a greeish purple blurr by now, but it will be there). If there is no (underside of the upper lip) TB lip tattoo, then he wasn't registered as a TB and could not have raced (as a TB). It is possible that the freeze brand is from some other horse association, even a local clup from somewhere in his past, or done by some humane organization, or by a previous owner who registered him against theft or something. Or, it could be a SB freeze brand and you might be reading one of the numbers wrong (like reading an "8" when it is really a capital "B" or something, I have no idea how SB freeze brands should work.) If it really isn't a SB freeze brand, I would consider that it is an anti-theft brand someone did. If you have papers, you could track previous owners and ask...

Also, papers would tell you about his racing history, but I assume you would know that if he had them, and so he must not have them...

Wishing you well,

Cheryl

[chiggins6]

Hey, I just tried Jessi's SB site with my own suggestion, I put in B6120 and came upwith a horse, called "Jeff's Aggravation" he's a bay gelding, no white markings, born in 1983 in NJ owned by the Gearharts in 1987, (that's about 21 years old, eh??) (no death date) by What a Baron and get this:

His dam is

"Jessi M."

Hee hee hee.

Foaling date 5/8/1983

You can try it yourself, with a B instead of an 8 (Oh, am I a genius or am I??) to get all the info on that first page (not much more than this.)

Please let us know if this is your horse!!!!

[chiggins6]

fourh mom:

The only thing I am noticing on the website about Jef's Aggravation is that under "Tatoo" it says "B6120 but under "Freezbrand" it doesn't say anything. I guess the data could be old. I wasn't able to follow the link for "more information" because I am not a subscriber and I don't think I want to subscribe, necessarily, maybe Jessi is a subscriber and can look up more information, if this is your horse.

Cheryl Higgins

[chiggins6]

Standardbreds are trotters, right? Or Pacers? Bet you could get a clue to his being a SB if you could get him into a real pounding trot on a long straightaway. Bet this boy can MOVE at a trot. Can you get him into a pace? If he's elderly, you might not want to do that, but if he's healthy, he'd probably love it...

[fourh mom]

Ya'll have been such a help to me. I haven't checked his lip for a tatoo though. I'll do that tomorrow. I didn't think about it being a letter instead of a number, but he's sorrel w/a blaze and one sock... not bay. Thanks anyway. This must be someone's personal brand or something.

When ya'll mentioned he might be a SB I got to looking at him. I've not been around many TB's but he certainly has the hind end of a SB! He's really, really deep in his chest and has short, short cannon bones in relation to his forearm. He's got a fairly nice trot... easy to sit... but he doesn't hold it long. He's got some hoof problems which will be seen to tomorrow.

I did get him into a pretty goot trot inhand today. He wasn't even stretched out good and I was running full out. I've got a little mare who will pick up a canter when I run like I was running today. Louie just kept on trotting...... I can't wait til I can get him in that trot under saddle!

He's a bit barn sour (well, a good bit barn sour) right now. If it's not an obvious trail he does NOT want to go down it! Must be an arena boy. We'll fix that 'cause he's *supposedly* been trained to jump and that's why we got him - to pack my 13yo daughter around for a year or two until we get our coming 5yo paint mare going well.

Thanks again for all your help... maybe I can delve into his background a bit more... but if I can't at least I'm more sure that he is a SB instead of a TB. sylvia

[fourh mom]

I looked today and, plain as day when you know what you're looking for, he's got a tatoo on his upper lip. It's not really plain anymore but I made out the last three decidedly... 606

I have no idea what the first one or two are but it looks like --7606 or -7606.

So, here he is w/this tatoo and freeze brand and I STILL can't find anything concrete! I went back to the Pedigree search site and entered the 606 and 7606. I found several chestnut geldings born in 86 and 85 and several more brown geldings born in 82 - 93. I'm going to check out their numbers w/his tatoo and see if I can make anything out.

THanks again for the link and all the help. sylvia

[Crystal]

hi Mom,
if you can, give the jockey club a call. They can assist in finding out more about him. Once you know his name you can order his pedigree, or race record. With that you can track down most of his owners/trainers and find out where you boy has been.

[chiggins6]

I still doubt he's a TB but that's just my humble opinion. You don't have a pic of him online, do you? Prob not..

[galloop_gurl]

Eh there!
Here are my two cents worth. Your horse is a standardbred because of the freezebrand. If he was a jumper then he more-than-likely was a trotter not a pacer. I've tried to retrain pacers (it's not that easy to break them of the pacing habbit) Anyway back to my initial topic.

Up untill a few years ago SB's had a tattoo and a freeze brand. Now in the last 4-5 years the SB's have gotten away from the lip tattoos. IF you are ever unsure of the freeze brand, take your clippers and clip the area. The numbers come out better. And the first digit is always a letter, it's the same as the TB world. The letter represents the year they were born. Also the freezebrand is the same number as the lip tattoo. If you can't read the lip tattoo take a flashbulb from a camera (cover your horses eyes with a towel first or be ready for a wreck) and flash it on the ink to get a better glimps of the #.


SO that is what I know. And I know this because I went to the SB track to learn better legwork for my TB's!!!! See those jiggy-jogs can teach us something every now and again!