This mare stands about 16 hands, is correct, sound, and beautifully balanced, and is also a great mover. In short, sbe is a super nice and good looking mare, and her first baby, a test baby, is the spitting image of her.
Hypo-mating
Any alternative suggestions would also be much appreciated. In my choice[s], I try to find the best performance stallion I could possibly afford. A competible pedigree is a prerequisite also, of course, but I believe in 'seeing is believing,' kind of philosophy.
I would want to sell the foal, but would not want to depend on in-state breeding programs. Concerto happens to stand in FL, and many of Captive's relatives are Fl-bred as well.
CONCERTO/CAPTIVE PRO DP = 7-10-9-4-0 (30) DI = 2.53 CD = 0.67; GSV = 68.36
IN REALITY 3s x 3D (1) (1)
UNDENIABLY // PROPER REALITY
INTENTIONALLY 4S x 4D x 5d (1) (1)
IN REALITY //IN REALITY /TA WEE
SECRETARIAT 4s x 4d (0) (2)
SIX CROWNS //CAPTIVATING GAL
ROUGHN TUMBLE 5s x 5d x 5D (1) (1)
MY DEAR GIRL //MY DEAR GIRL /MINNESOTA MAC
BOLD RULER 5S x 6S x 5D
SECRETARIAT /ENVOY //SECRETARIAT
9 generation inbreeding
TEDDY 13 4 (2) (2)
PLUCKY LIEGE 10 2 (2) (0)
FAIR PLAY 10 2 (2) (0)
BULL DOG 10 6 (3) (3)
WHISK BROOM2 10 4 (1) (3)
FAIRY GOLD 10 (2) (0)
PHALARIS 9 (3) (0)
etc.
Thanks for any forthcoming views/opinions/critique, suggestions, etc.
SB
What do you think about this marting for 2006?
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sb, personally I really like the hypomating but I must admit to a bias toward Concerto. I had already earmarked this stallion before Bellamy Road came along.
I think the key here may be if there is a pattern of success for In Reality and Intentionally linebreeding or inbreeding. Some of those on this forum who are more expert in this area will hopefully comment on this.
I feel the linebreeding potential of Secretariat has already been proven, especially through daughters, which you have, although Captivating Gal wasn't one of his more notable daughters, she has a very nice female family overall that has produced considerable blacktype talent.
I don't know if Concerto is the best choice to produce a commercially saleable foal, but the earlier performance by Bellamy Road may definitely help the value of his foals in future sales. Especially if Bellamy Road matures into a highly successful racehorse in the next year or two, or if Concerto produces more that run well at the upper levels.
Two more thoughts. Take a look at Omega Code. Or if you're willing to take a gamble on a LA stallion who may be an outstanding value, consider Leestown.
Best of luck on your 2006 breeding plans.
Laurie
I think the key here may be if there is a pattern of success for In Reality and Intentionally linebreeding or inbreeding. Some of those on this forum who are more expert in this area will hopefully comment on this.
I feel the linebreeding potential of Secretariat has already been proven, especially through daughters, which you have, although Captivating Gal wasn't one of his more notable daughters, she has a very nice female family overall that has produced considerable blacktype talent.
I don't know if Concerto is the best choice to produce a commercially saleable foal, but the earlier performance by Bellamy Road may definitely help the value of his foals in future sales. Especially if Bellamy Road matures into a highly successful racehorse in the next year or two, or if Concerto produces more that run well at the upper levels.
Two more thoughts. Take a look at Omega Code. Or if you're willing to take a gamble on a LA stallion who may be an outstanding value, consider Leestown.
Best of luck on your 2006 breeding plans.
Laurie
So many pedigrees...so little time. (C)
Thank
you kindly for your observations concerning the submitted hyomating, Laurie. Much appreciated.
you wrote
*I think the key here may be if there is a pattern of success for In Reality and Intentionally linebreeding or inbreeding. Some of those on this forum who are more expert in this area will hopefully comment on this.*
Yes, I agree, and that's exactly what I'm trying to find out because my mare doesn't exactly have a 'fashionable' pedigree, but that's what I like about her. Also, I like the many Fl connections with In Reality which there are plenty as in Unbridled and offspring, but it is moving further back the lines now. Captive is an In Reality line mare, i.e. Non-Phalaris, and I believe that gives her some added value in today's pedigrees overcharged with the Dancers, Mr. Prospector, Storm Cat, Storm Bird, etc.
I bet that the Non-Phalaris horses will be much valued in a couple of years down the road when people will have to scramble to find outcrosses to their mares. Then again, I don't know if inbreeding to In Reality is a good alternative. At least, I try to get it sex balanced.
*I feel the linebreeding potential of Secretariat has already been proven, especially through daughters, which you have, although Captivating Gal wasn't one of his more notable daughters, she has a very nice female family overall that has produced considerable blacktype talent. *
I am a big fan of Secretariat, but I feel that he has fallen kind of out of favor with a lot of people with the exception of his mares and his dam, Somthingroyal which, ironically, couldn't get out of the starting gate, lol.
I"m proud Secretariat is up close in Captive's pedigree, but I don't focus on linebreeding to him. It actually is not very difficult these days.
*I don't know if Concerto is the best choice to produce a commercially saleable foal, but the earlier performance by Bellamy Road may definitely help the value of his foals in future sales. Especially if Bellamy Road matures into a highly successful racehorse in the next year or two, or if Concerto produces more that run well at the upper levels.*
Yes, I agree, and one big winner isn't going to help him all that much over the long haul, but he brings a lot to the table for the right mare. Several years ago, he was still a pretty unknown, and I noticed him in particular because his picture showed him to be a locker, and I have a very soft spot for good looking stallions and mares. Captive Pro is as good looking a TB as they come, even as a slightly underweight broodmare. I had just bought a mare in Fl and had given Concerto strong consideration, but opted for Precocity instead; he was unknown, but I liked his race record, money won, the races he won, his conformation, and the people who owned him. Frank was good at promoting his stallions and he was a very successful breeder. My mare had a lovely filly by him, but she had to be euthanized at one month of age as she had contracted septicemia when she was at the breeding farm in La to be rebred. It was very sad and very costly.
*Two more thoughts. Take a look at Omega Code. Or if you're willing to take a gamble on a LA stallion who may be an outstanding value, consider Leestown. *
Omega Code is way overpriced, if you ask me, and I'm not so keen on his conformation, even though it's kind of stupid to judge a horse by one lousy picture. I wonder what makes him so expensive.
I had been advised before to breed Captive Pro to Leestown, and I should have gone for it as this was for his second crop, but he was a bit too expensive for me at the time. Today, Leestown has had good success, but he is still strictly a regional stallion as are almost all of the La stallions with the exception of Afternoon Deelights, but I don't like him as much for Captive Pro. He's doing well in La, but then you have to foal the mares out in La, and boarding your mare out defeats my purpose. I presently live in Alabama, and that's a real handicap to the point that I have Captive Pro up for sale as well, even though I hate given he up. No matter, I keep hypomating her just in case as I have tentative plans to move to Tx. Another stallion I had passed up the year before last and shouldn't have, was Pancho Villa. Iwas offered a breeding to him for $750.00. Talking about Secretariat, lol....
La now has a whole bunch of new stallions, but they are, for the most part, all limited to the state's breeding and racing program and have no commercial appeal whatsoever. A few Leestown offspring have sold at out of state auctions as far as I have seed, but not too many.
Again, thanks
SB
you kindly for your observations concerning the submitted hyomating, Laurie. Much appreciated.
you wrote
*I think the key here may be if there is a pattern of success for In Reality and Intentionally linebreeding or inbreeding. Some of those on this forum who are more expert in this area will hopefully comment on this.*
Yes, I agree, and that's exactly what I'm trying to find out because my mare doesn't exactly have a 'fashionable' pedigree, but that's what I like about her. Also, I like the many Fl connections with In Reality which there are plenty as in Unbridled and offspring, but it is moving further back the lines now. Captive is an In Reality line mare, i.e. Non-Phalaris, and I believe that gives her some added value in today's pedigrees overcharged with the Dancers, Mr. Prospector, Storm Cat, Storm Bird, etc.
I bet that the Non-Phalaris horses will be much valued in a couple of years down the road when people will have to scramble to find outcrosses to their mares. Then again, I don't know if inbreeding to In Reality is a good alternative. At least, I try to get it sex balanced.
*I feel the linebreeding potential of Secretariat has already been proven, especially through daughters, which you have, although Captivating Gal wasn't one of his more notable daughters, she has a very nice female family overall that has produced considerable blacktype talent. *
I am a big fan of Secretariat, but I feel that he has fallen kind of out of favor with a lot of people with the exception of his mares and his dam, Somthingroyal which, ironically, couldn't get out of the starting gate, lol.
I"m proud Secretariat is up close in Captive's pedigree, but I don't focus on linebreeding to him. It actually is not very difficult these days.
*I don't know if Concerto is the best choice to produce a commercially saleable foal, but the earlier performance by Bellamy Road may definitely help the value of his foals in future sales. Especially if Bellamy Road matures into a highly successful racehorse in the next year or two, or if Concerto produces more that run well at the upper levels.*
Yes, I agree, and one big winner isn't going to help him all that much over the long haul, but he brings a lot to the table for the right mare. Several years ago, he was still a pretty unknown, and I noticed him in particular because his picture showed him to be a locker, and I have a very soft spot for good looking stallions and mares. Captive Pro is as good looking a TB as they come, even as a slightly underweight broodmare. I had just bought a mare in Fl and had given Concerto strong consideration, but opted for Precocity instead; he was unknown, but I liked his race record, money won, the races he won, his conformation, and the people who owned him. Frank was good at promoting his stallions and he was a very successful breeder. My mare had a lovely filly by him, but she had to be euthanized at one month of age as she had contracted septicemia when she was at the breeding farm in La to be rebred. It was very sad and very costly.
*Two more thoughts. Take a look at Omega Code. Or if you're willing to take a gamble on a LA stallion who may be an outstanding value, consider Leestown. *
Omega Code is way overpriced, if you ask me, and I'm not so keen on his conformation, even though it's kind of stupid to judge a horse by one lousy picture. I wonder what makes him so expensive.
I had been advised before to breed Captive Pro to Leestown, and I should have gone for it as this was for his second crop, but he was a bit too expensive for me at the time. Today, Leestown has had good success, but he is still strictly a regional stallion as are almost all of the La stallions with the exception of Afternoon Deelights, but I don't like him as much for Captive Pro. He's doing well in La, but then you have to foal the mares out in La, and boarding your mare out defeats my purpose. I presently live in Alabama, and that's a real handicap to the point that I have Captive Pro up for sale as well, even though I hate given he up. No matter, I keep hypomating her just in case as I have tentative plans to move to Tx. Another stallion I had passed up the year before last and shouldn't have, was Pancho Villa. Iwas offered a breeding to him for $750.00. Talking about Secretariat, lol....
La now has a whole bunch of new stallions, but they are, for the most part, all limited to the state's breeding and racing program and have no commercial appeal whatsoever. A few Leestown offspring have sold at out of state auctions as far as I have seed, but not too many.
Again, thanks
SB
Here is an interesting mating with Unbridled Man in IN
Unfortunately, he wasn't that good a race horse. One further removed from Unbridled is Unbridled Time who stands in Fl and was a stakes winner/stakes placed but not graded. He stands for $5K.
Unbridled Man is a direct son of Unbridled and out of Honoria, by Danzig.
HIs first foals are 3year olds now. He stands for $1K appropriately to his earnings. Now of course, he's not getting all that good mares to him,:[
UNBRIDLED MAN/CAPTIVE PRO DP = 5-6-9-2-2 (24) DI = 1.82 CD = 0.42; GSV = 62.24
IN REALITY 5s x 3D (1) (1)
CHAREDI // PROPER REALITY
INTENTIONALLY 6S x 4D x 5d (1) (1)
IN REALITY // IN REALITY / TA WEE
ROUGHN TUMBLE 6S x 7s x 5d x 5D (2) (1)
DR. FAGER /MY DEAR GIRL* // MY DEAR GIRL* / MINNESOTA MAC
PRINCEQUILLO 7s x 5S x 6d x 6d (1) (3)
CEQUILLO*/ROUND TABLE // SOMETHINGROYAL / PRINCESS MATOAKA
ASPIDISTRA 6S x 6s x 5d (1) (2)
DR. FAGER / MAGIC * // TA WEE
BOLD RULER 5s x 5D (1) (1)
MATRIARCH // SECRETARIAT
Unbridled Man is a direct son of Unbridled and out of Honoria, by Danzig.
HIs first foals are 3year olds now. He stands for $1K appropriately to his earnings. Now of course, he's not getting all that good mares to him,:[
UNBRIDLED MAN/CAPTIVE PRO DP = 5-6-9-2-2 (24) DI = 1.82 CD = 0.42; GSV = 62.24
IN REALITY 5s x 3D (1) (1)
CHAREDI // PROPER REALITY
INTENTIONALLY 6S x 4D x 5d (1) (1)
IN REALITY // IN REALITY / TA WEE
ROUGHN TUMBLE 6S x 7s x 5d x 5D (2) (1)
DR. FAGER /MY DEAR GIRL* // MY DEAR GIRL* / MINNESOTA MAC
PRINCEQUILLO 7s x 5S x 6d x 6d (1) (3)
CEQUILLO*/ROUND TABLE // SOMETHINGROYAL / PRINCESS MATOAKA
ASPIDISTRA 6S x 6s x 5d (1) (2)
DR. FAGER / MAGIC * // TA WEE
BOLD RULER 5s x 5D (1) (1)
MATRIARCH // SECRETARIAT