famous woman

[mini's mom]

if I breed this mare what stallion should I breed her to?

thanks

the stud should have a good front end and big grass feet - she has a huge heart

[Keith]

I would breed Famous Woman to A. P Jet As far as this cross you would get
3x4 Mr. Prospector
3x5 Tamerett
5x6 Aspidistra
5x5x6 Rough N Tumble

Keith

[mini's mom]

Keith:

there is a horse at suffolk - his name is symbolic times - he is the most handsome horse that I have ever seen - I asked his trianer if he was for sale - I think that he is running for 20 on the grass - what about breeding her to a horse like slice of reality or a more quarter horsey type - she has a not good front end and her feet are all different shapes and sizes - thanks

[Keith]

It is close but I would consider breeding Famous Woman to Captain Red giving you a
3x3 cross on Gone West
5x5x5 cross on Secretariat
I do not know if I would suggest breeding her to Slice of Reality.

Keith

[Pete]

Hi Keith,

Why would you recommend such close inbreeding to a sire line known for potential front end problems (Mr. Prospector) with a mare described as:

she has a not good front end and her feet are all different shapes and sizes

With ANY clearly visible defect (and in this case apparently more than one) inbreeding is a delicate thing and the closer you make the cross the greater the potential to amplify the problems.

Regards,

Pete

[Pete]

Hi Mini,

You didn't mention your goal for this mating (to race or sell) but I'll assume that you wish to breed to race from your mention of Slice Of Reality.

I like the race record of Famous Woman and think she's a good bred to race broodmare prospect. She won $75k in 19 races (4 wins) indicating some talent and there are several other other hard campaigners in her family.

I've never seen Slice Of Reality and though he lacks commercial appeal he has sired some winning race horses but not many of high quality.

Pedigree is only one of three areas that should be examined in creating a mating and it shouldn't be the first. Conformation is normally just as (if not more) important and in your case since you've objectively indicated that Famous Woman has conformational concerns, it's more important. Environment; how the foals is raised, cared for, trained and campaigned is of great importance as well.

I would not inbreed or close linebreed unless I had no choice. Your mare's sire, Wayne's Crane, was a fast horse who threw speed. He wasn't (generally) bred to high quality mares and he hasn't been a particularly effective broodmare sire (his daughters' foals average about $1,000 per start). From a simple empirical standpoint I believe that breeders are sending his daughters to regional sprinting sires and limiting their potential.

If you're willing to wait for the foal to race at three there's only one choice of sires in NY that I feel will give you value, race potential and as good a chance as any to have a well conformed foal. Raffie's Majesty.

There are a myriad of reasons to use Raffie; he has excellent size and conformation, he improves his mares, his foals win at AQ/BEL/SAR on a regular basis (from a limited number of foals).

He as 30 starters, 17 winners and earnings over $700k this year. There were four of his foals in stakes races at Saratoga this week. If you look at Raffie's foals they rarely run at 2 and almost never win at 2 either, but by the middle of their 3yo year they tend to have developed into consistent competitors with solid records and a lot of money earned. His average of > $23k eaerned per starter (this year) is impressive.

Raffie is an outcross for Famous Woman through 5 generations. Of particular interest to you should be his female side of his pedigree that is mostly high quality German stock, noted for exceptional conformation and in this case, solid racing quality too.

Good luck,

Pete

[FOS]

hi mini's mom

Why not consider Freud in New York?

Although I've not seen him in the flesh...I've not heard any particular negatives re: the front ends and/or feet of his offspring, that might raise a red flag when considering Freud as a possible candidate to breed to. Maybe someone else could offer some more insight on that subject....but (in general) he seems to be off to a nice start. And with Buckpasser relatively close-up (through his son L'Enjoleur and his son Wayne's Crane) on the dam's side of your mare Famous Woman, injecting some more Northern Dancer might make some sense.

The Northern Dancer, Buckpasser cross has been quite successful (as you might be aware)...and could be just the ticket for your mare.

Certainly Freud could be risky...he is young and his first crop is just now being heard from...but he seems to be a stallion and young sire that has received good reviews in general.

He's had some impressive successes at the sales (certainly in relation to his advertised stud fee), and if he has some equally impressive successes at the races...his future could be bright...as both a sales and racehorse sire.

Best of luck.

Respectfully

[mini's mom]

Hi all

this is not related but what is the meaning of the name 'meadaaar' - there is a grass horse by that name - if he was bred by shadwell then there must be some sort of significance to the name of their horse -

thanks
mini's mom

[Pete]

Hi FOS,

Your recommending Freud made me smile.

Pete

[FOS]

hi Pete

The Freuds I've seen have (in general) looked the part.

You know how disappointed I am with many of the offspring (I've seen) by his full-brother of note...Ouch.

Respectfully