Wow, people are bold

[Sam]

I see girls I went to high school with dragging six kids behind them and flipping out that Access card like a badge of achievement.

See, this is the kind of thing that ticks me off. If you are on any kind of government subsidy, YOU DO NOT BELONG HAVING CHILDREN! If you can't afford to take care of yourself to the point that you have to be on welfare, then you can't afford to care for a child and I'm just nasty enough to tie a person's benefits into that (IOW, yank the benefits if they have a child while receiving them.)

[europatb]

BJ,


It takes a single action to change the world...I forgot who said that. And last I looked, the same rights that allow this person to post this ad, also protect those who object.

Here is a quote I have on a web site, is this the one you were thinking of?:

Quote:"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
committed citizens can change the world;
indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
Margaret Mead, Anthropologist

[Sam]

We'd have less starving people in THIS country if we didn't buy so many things Made in China.

I really can't believe there are people who actually believe this.

[BJ]

Sam's absolutely correct there. I mean we have rampant unemployment, an educational system thats in tatters, and a drug problem thats out of control because people have just given up hope. Plus B.J., I don't think our abstinence minded President is going around handing out condoms in 3rd world countries. I live in literally one of the poorest most drug invested areas in Oklahoma and they procreate like nobody's business down here. Why? Because there is nothing else to do and they don't know any better (sex ed is optional as many in the county oppose it). I see girls I went to high school with dragging six kids behind them and flipping out that Access card like a badge of achievement. Silly me. I went to college.

And all of that happened just since Bush was President??? Elect Bush...the world and the country goes belly up. Well...math never was my best subject...BUT Granted, there's a few things not to like about the man, but giving him credit for things that took generations to happen...P A L E E Z!

Rampant unemployment? Actually, we are lower than most European countries, except maybe Switzerland, which has laws against hiring foreigners over citizens. We don't have those laws...that would be politically incorrect. We even pay their medical bills!

Again...check those Made in China labels. Or maybe you like supporting those who would love to rise against us. Saving a few dollars now, may mean giving up a whole lot more later. Think about it.

There are many things wrong in this country and world. They didn't happen over night and they won't be solved over night. But...back to horse slaughter...PERHAPS, just perhaps, if we were a little more responsible and compassionate toward horses, the rest of the craziness would start to disappear too. After all, it takes a heart, a conscience and a will to do right by any living being. The lack of willingness to even pay attention has been the downfall of EVERYTHING (the world over) so far.

[Gerry]

Well said BJ but I guess that makes me politically incorrect doesnt it?

[austique]

I'll admit I don't like Bush but he's no more to blame than the other mealy mouthed out of touch rich kids we elect to office. The main thing is this country which is so concerned with protecting our little suburbs from any sort of reality that we keep pumping out kids who are ill-equipped to deal with the world at large. I mean this is the country where Dr. Joycelyn Elders get fired for saying,"We shouldn't just be teacing kids what how to be safe in the front seat of a car. We should be teaching them how to be safe in the back seat." because it offends some people's delicate sensibilities. This lesson is sorely needed where I live. I mean I realize some people need financial assistance because they've had some bad luck and need to get back on their feet, but ladies of eastern Oklahoma it is not a career goal.

Horse slaughter is a delicate issue because a lot of folks realize that its not a "Lets make a law" and its over kind of issue. All kinds of infrastructure to put in place for a ban to work properly and not lead to a bigger issue of thousands of starving horses. You can't just snap your fingers and poof its gone. Frankly I'm more concerned about forcing the industry to take adequate steps to actually address the issue something the anti-slaughter lobby has failed to do and getting superstar racehorses out of Japan or getting a round table discussion doesn't count as actual progress. It's more of an excuse for the industry to pat itself on the back while continuing the same practices that led to the issue in the first place. I'm all for pissing people off as long as its the right people. By the way I do totally support the work CANTER is doing. They are a definite step in the right direction and I wish there were more chapters around the country.

[Sam]

And all of that happened just since Bush was President??? Elect Bush...the world and the country goes belly up. Well...math never was my best subject...BUT Granted, there's a few things not to like about the man, but giving him credit for things that took generations to happen...P A L E E Z!

No one said it all happened since Shrub took over, but he doesn't really seem to give a damn about anything except invading other countries, either.

Thing is, Daddy-Dearest realized he lost the election because he pussed out so he and his cronies told the puppet he had to make a big deal over Iraq to get re-elected. Guess what, it worked because people in this country are just stupid enough to believe him. Do you have any idea how many people really DO believe Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks. That in itself I find disturbing.

[BJ]

BJ,


It takes a single action to change the world...I forgot who said that. And last I looked, the same rights that allow this person to post this ad, also protect those who object.

Here is a quote I have on a web site, is this the one you were thinking of?:

Quote:"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
committed citizens can change the world;
indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
Margaret Mead, Anthropologist

Same thought lines, but not the same quote I was thinking of. Good quote though. Fact is, true committment to any kind of action changes the world. Unfortunately, most people are only truly committed to instant gratification and impressing the Jones. We see the result of that kind of committment every day in our lives.

[BJ]

Well said BJ but I guess that makes me politically incorrect doesnt it?

You can be my P.I.C. pal anytime

[mary syers]

We, in the USA, make a couple of hundred thousand horses a year. When they aren't wanted or useful for what they were breed for, they have to go somewhere. If you want to help the slaughter problem, don't breed horses whose usefulness ends in the last claiming race they lose, sore, hurt and semi-crazy. Breed them sound. Train them to be tame horses before they learn to run. Don't breed cripple stallions to cripple mares. Stay away from the crazies. Be responsible for those you do breed. Keep track of them and offer to help find them a place to be when their racing career is over. There will always be those who try to take advantage in any business. If horse breeders tried to be responsible for what they helped bring into this world, those who take their advantage in pounds of horse flesh would have a harder time doing so. My soapbox, but if you really want to end horse slaughter in the USA, the only real thing you can do is be responsible in what you do. Mary Syers

[BJ]

We, in the USA, make a couple of hundred thousand horses a year. When they aren't wanted or useful for what they were breed for, they have to go somewhere. If you want to help the slaughter problem, don't breed horses whose usefulness ends in the last claiming race they lose, sore, hurt and semi-crazy. Breed them sound. Train them to be tame horses before they learn to run. Don't breed cripple stallions to cripple mares. Stay away from the crazies. Be responsible for those you do breed. Keep track of them and offer to help find them a place to be when their racing career is over. There will always be those who try to take advantage in any business. If horse breeders tried to be responsible for what they helped bring into this world, those who take their advantage in pounds of horse flesh would have a harder time doing so. My soapbox, but if you really want to end horse slaughter in the USA, the only real thing you can do is be responsible in what you do. Mary Syers

AMEN! Which is exactly what I do and what I "PREACH". Be responsible for what you create.

[mary syers]

Thanks BJ. I thought I'd get my teeth kicked in for this. Mary Syers

[Ill-bred]

Sam-

I LOVE Sonic's Lemon-berry slush!

[haleymg]

Wow , this person is selling a few others. I would buy them all if I could. or if I lived anywhere in thearea. I have a can not stand to think of the idea if horses going to the meat house . I know they do , but it still bothers me soo much. I wonder why no pictures . If they are indeed trying to sell them? ugh . Just wish I could do more. Unfortunately already have two horses and can't really afford anymore. sigh .

[BJ]

And last I looked, the same rights that allow this person to post this ad, also protect those who object.

OBJECT all you want BJ, but you have still failed to answer why you feel you have the right to demand information from a private citizen about any LEGAL transaction they may be involved in that is none of your business.

And stop with the silly quotes if that is all you have for an argument, please.

I'm so sorry this pisses you off Sam. I guess I didn't make myself clear...I believe the whole business of sending a horse to slaughter ought to be PUBLIC RECORD. Is that clear enough? That is WHY I believe the person placing the ad and anyone responding to the ad should NOT be cloaked in privacy. Keeping the slaughter industry safely behind "hushed tones" and "no one beyond this point" signs is how it has been allowed to go UNCHALLENGED and UNNOTICED among the general human public.

So...again...NO EMOTION...just plain black & white, lets just get it all out in the open if people are so PROUD to support and make a living off of slaughtering horses.

Oh...that other thing about DEMANDING??? I don't believe I was demanding anything. I do believe I was expressing my opinion on the fact that slaughtering horses or selling and buying a horse for slaughter should NOT be allowed to go on IN PRIVATE. After all, the industry GETS PUBLIC FUNDS to have government officials oversee the quality of the procedures and the product...OR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT? In any event, the idea is along the same lines of animal cruelty. Those events are public record, when discovered.

As a born and raised U.S. Citizen, I do believe I have the right to publicly express my opinions and beliefs without people calling me "over the top", which you seem to have NO PROBLEM expressing or believing you have the right to do, in public or otherwise.

To refresh your memory...here is my post about 'REQUIRING' the contact info to be posted:

"...Karie wrote:
It just shows us how SICK people really are.

Someone should complain to equine.com about these ads...
They should be banned..... and ..well.. I wont say what else I want to do to them.. since I work for a police dept I better behave....

BJ wrote:
Agree Karie. But I wouldn't ban the ads I would require they post a valid email address and phone number. I would require that all responses be in the open to. This 'HIDING' is what allows horse slaughter and irresponsible breeding and ownership to flourish.

This person/ad is the POSTER CHILD for the typical BREEDER/owner (of all horses) in this country. They take NO responsibility for that which THEY create, or what they destroy in getting their last ounce of use from the horse. But...at least this person is HONEST about it, instead of pretending they don't know what happens to all the unwanted horses people breed into being. I have to at least respect that. END partial quote.