GHOSTZAPPER STUD FEE MUCHO DINERO
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GHOSTZAPPER STUD FEE MUCHO DINERO
GZ will stand at Adena Springs in 06 for $200,000 This fee is about as high as you can get for a 1st year stallion.
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Re: GHOSTZAPPER STUD FEE MUCHO DINERO
louis finochio wrote:GZ will stand at Adena Springs in 06 for $200,000 This fee is about as high as you can get for a 1st year stallion.
That is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. There is NO WAY they can justify that.
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that is way too much 
The horse was very good, but he was no Man o' War or Citation or Secretariat. No way they can justify that, but there's probably enough high-stakes commercial breeders willing to take the gamble that he'll turn out the athletic youngsters that sell, sell, sell so that Adena can ask for and get even so outrageous a fee. I would have thought half that, max, and even that's too much for an untried stud IMO.
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Frank Stronach ala Magna Corp. is trying to recoup his losses from being in the red on his racetrack investments. Lets see if the fish meaning breeders will take the bait, hook, line and sinker.
I wonder if FS will send GZ down under to fleece those Aussies at the 200,000 clip. LOL.
I wonder if FS will send GZ down under to fleece those Aussies at the 200,000 clip. LOL.
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People who have a need for high profile horses and their names in the news will always pay the asking price or higher to get what they desire. There will always be people who will overpay for stud fees and for sales youngsters and/or broodmare prospects.
Those with more self-control will go elsewhere for better value.
Those with more self-control will go elsewhere for better value.
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$200,000 
Hey, at that figure, why not go for 800 bajillion dollars?
At least make it a billion, these days that figure seems as common as sparrows and air molecules.
(side note: 50+ billion for disaster relief? How can that much money even EXIST??? Does anybody remember when a million was a lot of money?)
Hey, at that figure, why not go for 800 bajillion dollars?
At least make it a billion, these days that figure seems as common as sparrows and air molecules.
(side note: 50+ billion for disaster relief? How can that much money even EXIST??? Does anybody remember when a million was a lot of money?)
hi guys
Some months ago there were some guesses as to what the 2006 stud fee for Ghostzapper would be.
On Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:31 pm...I wrote in response to Linda in TX...
"...Ghostzapper was uniquely versatile...and was arguably one of the fastest horses on the planet earth (thru his retirement after his victory in the Metropolitan H at age 5, 2005)...whether going 6 furlongs...1 mile...or 1 1/4 miles...
Ghostzapper's brilliance and versatility is an extremely rare commodity...and I expect that his stud fee will reflect that when announced...
...many seem to guess that around $100,000 will be his initial stud fee...but even the vicinity of $150,000+- would not surprise me. "
$200k (right now anyway) does surprise me. I expected that if GZ was named Horse of the Year again (in 2005) that $200k was possible (if not probable). Maybe his connections believe that will occur...it's probably not unreasonable to suggest that might still be possible.
Assuming that GZ will not earn a second Horse of the Year honor in 2005...even at $200k I expect that some seasons will be sold...and some trades for other seasons will be made...you know how that goes...possibly Lanes End (for one example) trades as follows...2 A.P.Indys (valued at $300k each)...for 3 Ghostzappers (valued at $200k each). Voila...no dollars change hands...but top mares are attracted...to both stallions. A possible win...win situation.
The possibilities are endless when it comes to trades and/or deals.
Furthermore...I expect that there will be numerous foal shares done with Ghostzapper...that many commercial breeders will offer to put up the kind of broodmares (that if appealing terms are negotiated which are acceptable to all parties involved) could give Horse of the Year Ghostzapper the best possible opportunity to succeed (at both the sales and at the track)...while each breeder has an opportunity to limit his/her financial risk. At the same time, the stallion owners (Adena/Stronach and Jackson) can assure a significant book of mares...both quality and quantity-wise (above and beyond the wonderful mares they will breed to him) to offer GZ an opportunity for the ages.
I am confident also that Stronach and partner Jess Jackson have the wherewithall and the passion to offer Ghostzapper a HUGE opportunity regardless of season sales...trades...and/or foal shares (or whatever).
Regardless...I find it difficult to recommend that signing a contract to breed to GZ at $200k live...is (in general) a good play. For just the right mare though...even $200k could work...but All Things Considered it could be a high risk move. But you know how that risk and reward angle can sometimes play out. You can win some and you can lose some...hmmm.
An advertised stud fee of $200k (set on Ghostzapper for 2006) is 33% more than I expected ($150k+-)...but he was GREAT and extremely VERSATILE...a very RARE and GIFTED thoroughbred racehorse. A super-star from my vantage point.
Respectfully
Some months ago there were some guesses as to what the 2006 stud fee for Ghostzapper would be.
On Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:31 pm...I wrote in response to Linda in TX...
"...Ghostzapper was uniquely versatile...and was arguably one of the fastest horses on the planet earth (thru his retirement after his victory in the Metropolitan H at age 5, 2005)...whether going 6 furlongs...1 mile...or 1 1/4 miles...
Ghostzapper's brilliance and versatility is an extremely rare commodity...and I expect that his stud fee will reflect that when announced...
...many seem to guess that around $100,000 will be his initial stud fee...but even the vicinity of $150,000+- would not surprise me. "
$200k (right now anyway) does surprise me. I expected that if GZ was named Horse of the Year again (in 2005) that $200k was possible (if not probable). Maybe his connections believe that will occur...it's probably not unreasonable to suggest that might still be possible.
Assuming that GZ will not earn a second Horse of the Year honor in 2005...even at $200k I expect that some seasons will be sold...and some trades for other seasons will be made...you know how that goes...possibly Lanes End (for one example) trades as follows...2 A.P.Indys (valued at $300k each)...for 3 Ghostzappers (valued at $200k each). Voila...no dollars change hands...but top mares are attracted...to both stallions. A possible win...win situation.
The possibilities are endless when it comes to trades and/or deals.
Furthermore...I expect that there will be numerous foal shares done with Ghostzapper...that many commercial breeders will offer to put up the kind of broodmares (that if appealing terms are negotiated which are acceptable to all parties involved) could give Horse of the Year Ghostzapper the best possible opportunity to succeed (at both the sales and at the track)...while each breeder has an opportunity to limit his/her financial risk. At the same time, the stallion owners (Adena/Stronach and Jackson) can assure a significant book of mares...both quality and quantity-wise (above and beyond the wonderful mares they will breed to him) to offer GZ an opportunity for the ages.
I am confident also that Stronach and partner Jess Jackson have the wherewithall and the passion to offer Ghostzapper a HUGE opportunity regardless of season sales...trades...and/or foal shares (or whatever).
Regardless...I find it difficult to recommend that signing a contract to breed to GZ at $200k live...is (in general) a good play. For just the right mare though...even $200k could work...but All Things Considered it could be a high risk move. But you know how that risk and reward angle can sometimes play out. You can win some and you can lose some...hmmm.
An advertised stud fee of $200k (set on Ghostzapper for 2006) is 33% more than I expected ($150k+-)...but he was GREAT and extremely VERSATILE...a very RARE and GIFTED thoroughbred racehorse. A super-star from my vantage point.
Respectfully
I am really quite distrubed that any animal that makes 11 starts (regardless of quality) and runs until he's five could even approach that stud fee. I realize he is very, very talented, but he never made more than 4 starts in any year and didn't retire sound that to me telegraphs a chronic soundness problem I don't care how picky you are with the races. JMHO.
FOS wrote:I expected that if GZ was named Horse of the Year again (in 2005) that $200k was possible (if not probable). Maybe his connections believe that will occur....it's probably not unreasonable to suggest that might still be possible
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IT SURE THE HELL IS UNREASONABLE
He's had ONE race this year. There is NO WAY IN HELL he will win HOY off ONE race and anyone who votes for him should have their voting privileges revoked. That's complete delusional bullshit to even think he's in the running for HOY, let alone that he should win it.
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hi Sam
In no way shape or form am I suggesting that Ghostzapper should be Horse of the Year.
As you know...I wrote "Maybe his connections believe that will occur...it's probably not unreasonable to suggest that might still be possible."
Sam, you might agree...that sometimes those closest to the scene don't have the best view...as might be the case with Team Ghostzapper. Regardless..."delusional" (your word) or not, Possible is not probable.
I ask...is it unreasonable to suggest that selecting a winner is not always based on objective merit. If you buy into the possibility that sometimes a winner might be selected on something other than objective merit...than you might agree that sometimes the popularity (or lack thereof) of a horse's owners and/or connections might affect an awards outcome...especially if there is not a clear-cut standout.
With that in mind...who knows how it will unfold for certain? One thing's for sure, there'll be lots of Kendall Jackson Pinot Noir being poured.
If voting were held today...who would be your top three picks for Horse of the Year honors.
Best to you.
Respectfully
In no way shape or form am I suggesting that Ghostzapper should be Horse of the Year.
As you know...I wrote "Maybe his connections believe that will occur...it's probably not unreasonable to suggest that might still be possible."
Sam, you might agree...that sometimes those closest to the scene don't have the best view...as might be the case with Team Ghostzapper. Regardless..."delusional" (your word) or not, Possible is not probable.
I ask...is it unreasonable to suggest that selecting a winner is not always based on objective merit. If you buy into the possibility that sometimes a winner might be selected on something other than objective merit...than you might agree that sometimes the popularity (or lack thereof) of a horse's owners and/or connections might affect an awards outcome...especially if there is not a clear-cut standout.
With that in mind...who knows how it will unfold for certain? One thing's for sure, there'll be lots of Kendall Jackson Pinot Noir being poured.
If voting were held today...who would be your top three picks for Horse of the Year honors.
Best to you.
Respectfully
FOS wrote:As you know...I wrote "Maybe his connections believe that will occur...it's probably not unreasonable to suggest that might still be possible."
and I'm responding to the "unreasonable" portion of that sentence. Not the whims of "might" and "possible". I say it is DAMNED unreasonable to even suggest that it could be possible and that ANYone who would, should NEVER be allowed to vote for horse of the year. It's as asinine as Andy Beyer voting for that Euro a few years ago whose only start in this country was a LOSS in the BC Turf.
FOS wrote:If voting were held today...who would be your top three picks for Horse of the Year honors.
Easy ... in no particular order: Lost in the Fog, Afleet Alex and Saint Liam.
Lost In The Fog is a virtual lock to take the Sprinter title so you can forget about him getting 3yo and he has no chance at HOY without it.
Afleet Alex IS going to win the 3yo title with a 6-4-0-1 record for the season including two G1s in the classics. If Saint Liam stubs his toe in the BC Classic, Aleet Alex WILL be HOY.
Saint Liam right now is the older horse leader with a 5-3-1-0 record with all 3 of his victories in G1 competition.
You know as well as I do that the de facto HOY is the CH older horse unless he does something stupid between June and the Classic. If the older horse doesn't make HOY, the male 3yo does. It takes a total collapse of both of those divisions -- something that has not happened this year -- for any other divisional title to win HOY.
To even SUGGEST that it's "probably not unreasonable" to suggest a horse with ONE VICTORY on the year and NO chance at even a divisional title could win HOY is delusional.
This is a case of "what have you done for me lately" and Ghostzapper hasn't done SQUAT this year to warrant even considering him for an older horse title, let alone HOY.
You suggest that to anyone in this industry and don't be surprised if they laugh their asses off at you.