Best-looking...Best-made TBred stallion (or stallions) ever
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Thanks, Benb,
Shirocco is a beautiful horse, but Malinas (by Lomitas – Majorität by Königsstuhl, sire of Shirocco’s sire Monsun) who beat him in Germany’s most important Derby-trial, the “Union-Rennen“ at Cologne, and was second behind Shirocco in last year’s Derby, looks even better.
But really impressing is Martillo (by Anabaa – Maltage by Affirmed). I saw him at Cologne 10 days ago – he looked like a “horse and a half”, so big he is -a freak?.
Nevertheless they run in all shapes – look at little brave filly Gonbarda and You really wonder how she can win G1-races and show the most consistent form of all horses in training over here this season.
Shirocco is a beautiful horse, but Malinas (by Lomitas – Majorität by Königsstuhl, sire of Shirocco’s sire Monsun) who beat him in Germany’s most important Derby-trial, the “Union-Rennen“ at Cologne, and was second behind Shirocco in last year’s Derby, looks even better.
But really impressing is Martillo (by Anabaa – Maltage by Affirmed). I saw him at Cologne 10 days ago – he looked like a “horse and a half”, so big he is -a freak?.
Nevertheless they run in all shapes – look at little brave filly Gonbarda and You really wonder how she can win G1-races and show the most consistent form of all horses in training over here this season.
Hi FOS,
„all things considered“
and whatever You mean with “in the flesh” You know as good as anyone here in the forum that “the best-looking thoroughbred” is an outmost subjective verdict beyond any public discussion. So take it easy and with a smile 
and don’t obtrude us on Your predominant view on the rest of the world – at least with this theme!
As You know as well “the best-looking horse” under starters order is more than often not the winner of the race. That’s why we race and don’t take part in beauty-contests. If there is any logical consequence from Your posting then “if you want a superb looking horse ‘in the flesh’ then try Your mare on Montjeu”.
„All things considered“ this is not a debatable theme, so let’s cool down and save energy for discussions on more important themes (f. e. as You thankfully did on GC).
Some time ago there was a tv-program over here about TB’s at Newmarket. Therein were insights given in some of the famous Newmarket studs and all the stallions presented by them had a notable look of Northern Dancer even laymen could see
– so this is the predominant fact we have to consider in present-day thoroughbred-breeding in taking advantage from this and avoiding the risks and dangers this fact may offer us.
Respectfully -parlo-
„all things considered“
and whatever You mean with “in the flesh” You know as good as anyone here in the forum that “the best-looking thoroughbred” is an outmost subjective verdict beyond any public discussion. So take it easy and with a smile and don’t obtrude us on Your predominant view on the rest of the world – at least with this theme!
As You know as well “the best-looking horse” under starters order is more than often not the winner of the race. That’s why we race and don’t take part in beauty-contests. If there is any logical consequence from Your posting then “if you want a superb looking horse ‘in the flesh’ then try Your mare on Montjeu”.
„All things considered“ this is not a debatable theme, so let’s cool down and save energy for discussions on more important themes (f. e. as You thankfully did on GC).
Some time ago there was a tv-program over here about TB’s at Newmarket. Therein were insights given in some of the famous Newmarket studs and all the stallions presented by them had a notable look of Northern Dancer even laymen could see
– so this is the predominant fact we have to consider in present-day thoroughbred-breeding in taking advantage from this and avoiding the risks and dangers this fact may offer us.
Respectfully -parlo-
hi parlo
My inquiry re: the sire Montjeu and/or any of his offspring that raced on Arc day has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that I have never seen any of them "in the flesh", meaning in person.
Other than photographs, I have not yet had the opportunity to personally view any of the above mentioned.
With that in mind I would simply like to hear what horsemen/women that have seen one or all of them in person, might have to offer regarding them, physically.
Arguably it is a "subjective" (your word) exercise, but hearing what horsemen (including yourself) have to offer regarding the physical structure of various equine athletes seems to be at the very least interesting and/or informative, and possibly valuable. Each person has his/her own opinion, that's understood, but arguably the perspectives, impressions etc that are offered might make the exercise unique and special.
As I indicated...I have not seen any of the above mentioned horses in person...in the flesh...but observations, thoughts etc from those who have seen them in person...in the flesh...would be appreciated.
Best to you.
Respectfully
My inquiry re: the sire Montjeu and/or any of his offspring that raced on Arc day has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that I have never seen any of them "in the flesh", meaning in person.
Other than photographs, I have not yet had the opportunity to personally view any of the above mentioned.
With that in mind I would simply like to hear what horsemen/women that have seen one or all of them in person, might have to offer regarding them, physically.
Arguably it is a "subjective" (your word) exercise, but hearing what horsemen (including yourself) have to offer regarding the physical structure of various equine athletes seems to be at the very least interesting and/or informative, and possibly valuable. Each person has his/her own opinion, that's understood, but arguably the perspectives, impressions etc that are offered might make the exercise unique and special.
As I indicated...I have not seen any of the above mentioned horses in person...in the flesh...but observations, thoughts etc from those who have seen them in person...in the flesh...would be appreciated.
Best to you.
Respectfully
As I come from the show side, from the half (warm)blood, I look different to horses than somebody from the raceside. When I look to horse, I use a
scale to point them. I,ve been dooiing this for a couple of years for the royal dutch warmblood.
I like to see a horse in a rectangel, so not a short horse, with a good back
and enough place for a riding saddle, a shoulder with an good angel and long so a deep bodied horse. Long muscled from the back gooiing down
a european mid distance horse is my aim. With bones and seize 16.2-16.3
just look to my avatar, although it,s a she.
scale to point them. I,ve been dooiing this for a couple of years for the royal dutch warmblood.
I like to see a horse in a rectangel, so not a short horse, with a good back
and enough place for a riding saddle, a shoulder with an good angel and long so a deep bodied horse. Long muscled from the back gooiing down
a european mid distance horse is my aim. With bones and seize 16.2-16.3
just look to my avatar, although it,s a she.
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Montjeu?
Has anyone SEEN him up close and in the flesh? I haven't but his picture sure looks pretty good...
http://www.coolmore.com/stallions/MONTJEU/Conformation.asp?Country=Ireland&CountryID=1&StallionID=35 [/url]
http://www.coolmore.com/stallions/MONTJEU/Conformation.asp?Country=Ireland&CountryID=1&StallionID=35 [/url]
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I've seen
I saw Montjeu four times on the racetrack and two times since he's been retired. He's tallish, decent bone, quite correct and "uphill" in build in the way that sport horse people like to see them. Neck set was somewhat higher than the average T'bred, pasterns were a touch long. He also looked fast. Really fast. Sort of like how his crop of three year olds looked this year
I am reading a book that gives measurements of some of the greats. I was somewhat surprised to find the neck circumference between Mr P and Secretariat a difference of only 2 inches - 56" to 54". The picture on this board does not do justice to the beauty of Secretariat. Also somewhat surprised that Roberto Had a larger neck circumference than Secretariat - 56.5".
Some say Secretariat was so perfect and specialized that only cloning could yield reproductive success.
Anyway - he gets my vote.
http://home.earthlink.net/~scchambliss/Secretariate.jpg
Some say Secretariat was so perfect and specialized that only cloning could yield reproductive success.
Anyway - he gets my vote.
http://home.earthlink.net/~scchambliss/Secretariate.jpg
hi Scott
You wrote "Some say Secretariat was so perfect and specialized that only cloning could yield reproductive success."
Secretariat was a Wonderful super-star racehorse and triple crown winner, whose legend seems to continue to grow. In a horseracing sense I can understand how some might reference him as "perfect" (your word)...but as an individual (in the flesh) he was not what I would call "perfect" (your reference) by any stretch of the imagination.
What do you mean by "specialized"?
Respectfully
You wrote "Some say Secretariat was so perfect and specialized that only cloning could yield reproductive success."
Secretariat was a Wonderful super-star racehorse and triple crown winner, whose legend seems to continue to grow. In a horseracing sense I can understand how some might reference him as "perfect" (your word)...but as an individual (in the flesh) he was not what I would call "perfect" (your reference) by any stretch of the imagination.
What do you mean by "specialized"?
Respectfully