i have a mare named Fleur De Soie that I am breeding this year. She is going to be 21 and I would love a filly. i have some stallions that I have been offered some good prices on. I am in a dilemma about which to go with. the mare is about 15.2 hands and good bone. really no confirmation flaws. she is by Graustark. the stallions are:
Wisemans ferry
Indian Ocean
Newfoundland
Action This Day
Omega Code
based on pedigree and commercialability, who would you go with? Thanks
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Hard to say without seeing the mare or knowing her pedigree or knowing if you want to race or sell as weanling/yearling/2yo. I'd run her pedigree through one of those knicking/mating programs or look up the statistics from her broodmare sire to those stallions or (since they are young) their sires and other sons.
Ranking the stallions I like Wiseman's Ferry best and he just had two impressive sales at FT (way more than his stud fee), he's got really nice conformation and not sure about Hennessy as a sire of sires but this guy could run a bit and sounds like his foals look like the can run a bit to the buyers.
Next two kind of a tie:
Pure Prize has the breeding but I don't care that much for his long back but he did have a big yearling sell this summer. His race record is OK but he really only won one race of note and that is not much of a note! Certanly under performed his pedigree. The rest of his sales results look good but not FANtastic. I don't know, you might get a War Emblem or another under performer!
Newfoundland has the worst conformation i think (at least from the side), he's just kind of wonky looking BUT he could run more than a bit AND he ran 3 seasons with black type each time. So i guess durability should count for something! Good pedigree, think a lot will depend on the conformation of the mare correcting his. You could get a great looking prospect or a wonky one that will break down or the bidders won't go near it. I don't know, I just don't see him as being a super commercial sire (at least at first). But if you want a racehorse...
Next two are tied also I think and if you are breeding to sell as weanlings and yearlings the buyers really seem to go for the new and unproven stallions! For some reason...
I love Action This Day but not sure if he was really that talented or a one race wonder. Not durable, didn't train on. And nothing to go on sales wise. But love his sire and maybe he's the heir apparent? He's good looking but his foals might not be precocious. Guess it depends on if you want to sell or race. I'd want to see him from the front and back too.
I love Indian Ocean too, he's gorgeous, can run, nice pedigree, might be worth a chance esp at the fee but with only one season at the track he might have some unsoundness issues (any horse can get injured, some horses are made to be injured). If he isn't really crooked he might be one of those who puts pretty sales babies on the ground. If he is really crooked (if any of them are) I'd avoid him until you see what his foals actually sell for/can do.
Omega Code I wouldn't consider this year. His hind legs look like posts, his pedigree is good but not fantastic, he was a decent racehorse and very fast (he did run three years at least but sparingly and his best win was his last year so he might be a late developer but if he doesn't have the soundness to back it up that could be a problem). His sales figures (although of course miniscule) are dismal so far. I'd want to see his babies first and see what they look like conformation wise and sales wise.
I don't know much about any of the bottom lines mare wise except Heavenly Prize of course, the BH doesn't put a lot of info. there! But of course the stronger the bottom line is each generation in putting black type horses on the ground then I'd move them up or down.
Ranking the stallions I like Wiseman's Ferry best and he just had two impressive sales at FT (way more than his stud fee), he's got really nice conformation and not sure about Hennessy as a sire of sires but this guy could run a bit and sounds like his foals look like the can run a bit to the buyers.
Next two kind of a tie:
Pure Prize has the breeding but I don't care that much for his long back but he did have a big yearling sell this summer. His race record is OK but he really only won one race of note and that is not much of a note! Certanly under performed his pedigree. The rest of his sales results look good but not FANtastic. I don't know, you might get a War Emblem or another under performer!
Newfoundland has the worst conformation i think (at least from the side), he's just kind of wonky looking BUT he could run more than a bit AND he ran 3 seasons with black type each time. So i guess durability should count for something! Good pedigree, think a lot will depend on the conformation of the mare correcting his. You could get a great looking prospect or a wonky one that will break down or the bidders won't go near it. I don't know, I just don't see him as being a super commercial sire (at least at first). But if you want a racehorse...
Next two are tied also I think and if you are breeding to sell as weanlings and yearlings the buyers really seem to go for the new and unproven stallions! For some reason...
I love Action This Day but not sure if he was really that talented or a one race wonder. Not durable, didn't train on. And nothing to go on sales wise. But love his sire and maybe he's the heir apparent? He's good looking but his foals might not be precocious. Guess it depends on if you want to sell or race. I'd want to see him from the front and back too.
I love Indian Ocean too, he's gorgeous, can run, nice pedigree, might be worth a chance esp at the fee but with only one season at the track he might have some unsoundness issues (any horse can get injured, some horses are made to be injured). If he isn't really crooked he might be one of those who puts pretty sales babies on the ground. If he is really crooked (if any of them are) I'd avoid him until you see what his foals actually sell for/can do.
Omega Code I wouldn't consider this year. His hind legs look like posts, his pedigree is good but not fantastic, he was a decent racehorse and very fast (he did run three years at least but sparingly and his best win was his last year so he might be a late developer but if he doesn't have the soundness to back it up that could be a problem). His sales figures (although of course miniscule) are dismal so far. I'd want to see his babies first and see what they look like conformation wise and sales wise.
I don't know much about any of the bottom lines mare wise except Heavenly Prize of course, the BH doesn't put a lot of info. there! But of course the stronger the bottom line is each generation in putting black type horses on the ground then I'd move them up or down.
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Omega Code I wouldn't consider this year. His hind legs look like posts, his pedigree is good but not fantastic, he was a decent racehorse and very fast (he did run three years at least but sparingly and his best win was his last year so he might be a late developer but if he doesn't have the soundness to back it up that could be a problem). His sales figures (although of course miniscule) are dismal so far. I'd want to see his babies first and see what they look like conformation wise and sales wise.
Hmm I saw him at the show and after i didnt think he was post looking in the hind legs at all. I thought he has a nice hind end. Maybe you saw something I didnt.
I actually like Omega Code quite a bit.
I'm not as sold on Indian Ocean after seeing photos and watching his walking video. He just doesn't do it for me.
If you are looking for a potential broodmare, you might look at a more proven sire. Lord knows the hard-working boys who have earned their stripes get no respect.
I'm not as sold on Indian Ocean after seeing photos and watching his walking video. He just doesn't do it for me.
If you are looking for a potential broodmare, you might look at a more proven sire. Lord knows the hard-working boys who have earned their stripes get no respect.
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Maybe it is just the way they have him set up in his picture. But even without that I think he's a cut below the others. I agree though for a broodmare prospect i'd go with an older proven broodmare sire. Not an unproven young horse. (same thing for a stallion prospect, go for a known sire of sires that will fit well with your mares pedigree).
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