Top Ten Female Family Inbreeding Patterns - Rasmussen Factor

Scott · Postby **Scott** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:17 pm

The 10 most used/successful patterns of female family inbreeding in America today are: ( Source used - Rommy Faversham )

1.) Almahmoud and daughters Natalma & Cosmah - most successful pattern of FFI today
2.) Family of La Troienne via Striking, Big Event, Glamour & Busanda - 2nd largest collection of superior runners
3.) Imperatrice /Somethingroyal
4.) Mumtaz Begum
5.) Lalun - also second on the European list of superior runner FFI
6.) Lavendula
7.) Boudoir II/ Flower Bowl
8.) The Squaw II/ Pocahontas this clan was developed by Claiborne Farm
9.) Grey Flight another clan developed by Claiborne
10.) Rough Shod/ Thong

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:01 am

I would like to add to your list of the mare Special by Forli = Hyperion branch of (Gainsborough)

Special is the dam of Nureyev and grandam of Sadlers Wells.
Special is too be found in many superior runners pedigrees and is an out
cross for the (Phalaris) stallions.

Their are 2 stallions in Euro Effiso and Cadeaux General that decend from the Hyperion branch of (Gainsborough) that the Blood Horse left out of their sire line chart. This Hyperion branch of (Gainsborough) is coming up empty as their sons are not reproducing stallions to keep this line alive.

Keith · Postby **Keith** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:08 pm

What are one's thoughts on line breeding Flower Bowl via His Majesty and Graustark which would be 5x5 Ribot, 5x5 Flower Bowl, and 5x5 Princequillo breeding White Wedding a daughter of Siphon to Versify a 17.2 hand son of Seattle Song and out of a Cougar II mare. He is a half brother to Hasten to Add. My mares 2nd dam is by Prince John. Hasten to Add is by Cozzene who is out of a Prince John mare. I have two mares I plan on breeding and I am looking to breed to Hunting Hard and Versify. I have also thought of breeding Lady Wrong Song to Versify and possibly breeding White Wedding to Hunting Hard. I have also thought Lady Wrong Song would make an interesting cross with a son of A.P. Indy. Seattle Slew's dam My Charmer is line bred Baby League. My mare has Striking on the bottom side by the way of Amazing. Getting back to talking about line breeding mares. Stevie Wonderboy is 3x3 Weekend Surprise through A.P. Indy and Summer Squall. Wonder how Lassie Dear will line breed when you consider Lemon Drop Kid?

Keith

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:14 am

To Keit: Let me get back to you later, and I'll do a search per your request. Thanks Louis.

harperstown · Postby **harperstown** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:24 pm

hi louis,

the (gainsborough) hyperion line through cadeaux genereux is looking more promising of late through G1 winner bahamian bounty,sire of G1 winning siblings, pastoral pursuits and goodricke both of which retire to stud shortly.

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:19 pm

Hi Harperstown: I hope and pray both Pastoral Pursuits and Goodricke make it as stallions, as this Hyperion branch of Gainsborough can be reborn again. Thanks for you good news, may peace be with you. Louis.

griff · Postby **griff** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:08 pm

A mare gets one X chromosome from her dam and one X chromosome from her sire and she only has a 50/50 chance of passing her dam's X chorosome to her daughters.

If I have this correct it seems that after several generations it is statically impossible that either of a mare's X chorisomes come from her tail female family unless it has been reintroduced by a stallion that also carries that X chorosome.

griff

louis finochio · Postby **louis finochio** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:05 pm

To Griff: Lets hope its right and this Hyperion branch of Gainsborough come back from the dead. Amen Brother, Peace.

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:56 am

Linebreeding to Banish Fear through Cosmah (via her sire Cosmic Bomb) and Prince John (via his dam Not Afraid) has worked very well. Think champion Rainbow Connection and millionaires Basqueian, Peace Rules, Roses in May; SW Dust Bucket, etc.

Sheikh · Postby **Sheikh** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:29 am

Touch of the Blues By Cad Gen stands at the Irish national stud, good reports on his first foals.

horsenuts · Postby **horsenuts** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:36 am

louis finochio wrote:Hi Harperstown: I hope and pray both Pastoral Pursuits and Goodricke make it as stallions, as this Hyperion branch of Gainsborough can be reborn again. Thanks for you good news, may peace be with you. Louis.

American racing could sure use a shot of Hyperion right about now. But I don't see much hope of that happening. Do you know of any American sires still left with male side Hyperion? My first introduction to a Hyperion son was through Aristophenes. 30 years ago the Man I was working for Claimed an 8 year old Argentine bred by Aristophenes. He'd made around $300,000 at the time with close to 80 starts. His bone and confirmation were about as good as it gets and would put to shame horses of today... and he was ALL HORSE.... and sound as a bell of brass. They don't make them like that anymore... or if they do can somebody tell me where I can get one?

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:32 am

Horsenuts--Find a few really nice Danehill mares and send them to Canny Lad (AUS). He's getting up there in years, but could still throw a good one or three. Canny Lad over Danehill would be a reverse cross of useful runner and siring sensation Redoute's Choice, and Danehill/Bletchingly is one of the more potent crosses down under.