STALLION DIRECTORY OF THE FUTURE

[louis finochio]

In my research I have noticed that the ch. that descend from Princequillo and his son Prince John have those liver spots on their coat and their offspring carry on this family trait down to our present time today.

[Intrinsic Worth]

Wheaton color scottish terriers tend to be more high strung than black or brindle scotties. Brindles tend to be more aggressive and blacks are more spooky.

[rudydee]

I know a trainer who swears that liver chestnut colored horses are runners who will always try and will make you money as an owner.
Another trainer swears that chestnut fillies are the most troublesome to break,train and keep healthy. I seem to have more of the latter.

[BenB]

The problem is with breeding tb,s, there aren,t enough data availibly for sorting out a good one. So you have to depend on , the mares only.

[louis finochio]

Hi Ben: Thats what seperated Tessio from the other breeders, as Tessio turned over every stone to find the needle in the haystack that was the key to many successful breeding patterns.

Tessio paid attention to detail, as he was the master breeder of his time.

Their is an old thread all about color patterns in TB, that is a classic, maybe someone can remember the title of the thread. Louis Finochio was the author.

[sb]

Their is an old thread all about color patterns in TB, that is a classic, maybe someone can remember the title of the thread. Louis Finochio was the author.

This one maybe? I'm not familiar with the author
1. Finochio, Louis THOROUGHBRED NICKING PATTERNS 1984 Edition Publisher: 1984. 1984, 4th Edition, SC, Fair, Wear, creased, stained page edges, 591 p. 4th Edition Soft Cover Fair $44 US

[louis finochio]

To SB: I was trying to remember the subject title of an old thread on this board about color patterns in TB. The one you posted is a copy of my book TB Nicking Patterns.

[LSB]

In the current BloodHorse, there's an article about an elementary school girl who did a science project on Cozzene and the correlation between his offsprings' color and their race performance.

She found that while roughly half of his offspring were grey, nearly all his top winner were that color. For example, out of his 11 Grade 1 winners, 10 were grey.

Interesting food for thought.

[louis finochio]

To LSB: I have found in my research the same successful color patterns that were positive. Tessio knew this was fact not fiction, as he pursued the superior runners in quest of letting the TB tell him which colors were those superior runners.

When TB breeders breed any mare to any stallion as the best to the best they are playing russian roulette. The breeders that have an open mind will find the holy grail before those breeders that dont.

[dray33]

I have read some of Tesio's work, and I think that he was trying to draw the correlation between the act of passing on color to the act of passing on talent. If you are going to build the argument that talent can be transmitted by sires/dams (thereby proving the whole "breeding the best to the best" theory) it can be verified that at the very least, horses transfer color by recessive/dominant factors. As for color indicating some degree of talent, it sounds theoretically possible, no?

[louis finochio]

To Dray: If the grays are the superior runners from your matings you will sell the bays and chestnuts and retain the grays.

If the chestnuts are the superior runners you would sell the grays and bays and retain the chestnuts.

Keep track of your TB colors and you will he a step ahead of the field, as Tessio did the same.

[Sam]

To Dray: If the grays are the superior runners from your matings you will sell the bays and chestnuts and retain the grays.

If the chestnuts are the superior runners you would sell the grays and bays and retain the chestnuts.

Keep track of your TB colors and you will he a step ahead of the field, as Tessio did the same.

And what are you suppose to do if the sire's "superior runners are all grey" and the dam's "superior runners are all chestnut" and you get a chestnut foal.

Seriously. It's sounds great in theory, but it really is nothing more than seeing what you WANT to see. It's circular logic at best.

[louis finochio]

To Sam: When you mate those 2 individuals together as you posted one or two colors will be dominate in the production of superior runners and the others will be recessive.

As a TB breeder that takes notes on which are the dominant and recessive colors they will breed to which works.

[Sam]

To Sam: When you mate those 2 individuals together as you posted one or two colors will be dominate in the production of superior runners and the others will be recessive.

You didn't answer the question, Louis.

If you have a stallion whose 'superior' runners are grey and a mare whose 'superior' runners are bay. If you get a bay foal, do you suggest selling it because it's not grey like the sire's superior runners or keeping it because the mare's best runners are all bay.

It is PRECISELY this reason that I find the idea that colour dictates ability as preposterous. "A good horse is never a bad colour"

You're telling us to pay attention to the 'superior runners' and follow the colour. Well if one parent says one colour is 'superior' and the other parent has a conflicting 'superior' colour .. who do you chose?

Like I said, it sounds good in theory .. but then so did Dosage to pick a Derby winner.

I know about dominate and recessive colours; it's called genetics. Using your logic, I could tell you a stallion has 25 stakes winners -- 15 of which are bay and the other 10 are grey. You'd take from those numbers that his chestnut foals are FAR inferior to the bays and greys ... except the stallion is homozygous bay (well, technically homozygous for the black agouti) and will NEVER HAVE a chestnut foal. So you can't say that the chestnuts would be inferior because you have no way to test that theory.

Additionally, because the stallion is homozygous bay, unless he's mated to a homozygous grey mare, he will ALWAYS throw a bay foal. So saying his bay foals are his superior runners is a self-fullfilling "fact" at best.

You're trying to draw a conclusion on erroneous 'facts'. Just because it looks like there is a pattern, that doesn't mean there is.

[louis finochio]

To Sam: You are putting the cart before the horse.

When you make a union of stallion and mare you will have to find which colors are dominate and recessive. After a few crops of stallions runners you will find which colors are producing those superior runners.

Even Tessio could not tell you what colors would be dominate and recessive before the mating took place.