St. Jovite

[ragsdaj]

In case anyone has a season to St. Jovite I have confirmed with Payson Stud they will not fill it. He is on his way to Ireland.

[FOS]

hi ragsdaj

You wrote "In case anyone has a season to St. Jovite I have confirmed with Payson Stud they will not fill it. He is on his way to Ireland."

Maybe he'll have better success there.

Respectfully

[ragsdaj]

unfortunately I am prepaid. I was just informed that Lac Quimet has left the farm also. Farm says it's Keeneland's fault and Kenneland sends me back to Starquine. Starquine is trying to "help" me out with a substitution, but not sure how this will translate.

[FOS]

hi ragsdaj

It'll be interesting to know whose season you supposedly bought...and who supposedly had authority to sell it.

Sounds like something stinks.

Respectfully

[ragsdaj]

I know that Lac Quimet was sold at Katrina Auction too and he is no longer there. I dont recall the other charity but there was another auction in december that sold a season to both sires also. It doesnt really help to know I'm not alone. I just happen to be the first person to catch the problem. The lady at Payson was rude about it too. Her name was Anna.
She just knew she was talking to a poor dirt farmer!

[summerhorse]

Seems that the auction and the farms need to have something in place for just these circumstances. Surely there has to be a law that if you buy something at auction that the something has to be delivered or the money returned. That would mean either a suitable (and approved) substitute or the money back. It isn't like you are buying a car and it broke down, you'd still have the car. You bought a breeding and they willy nilly decided not to honor it (because they got a better offer). But surely if this is for charity there must be some stallion owners in the same local that could be pressed into donating a few seasons to cover (and those other farms should not be dealt with again).

[ragsdaj]

the auction did come with some element of risk that I accepted: the horse may die, etc., but PAYSON STUD offered 4 seasons to two charities and has left town. Keeneland is missing fromthe picture entirely; StarQuine is making an effort but its been insulting as well. My mare isnt good enough for some studs, would I be interested in foal sharing (but my mare isnt good enough so why would they want to), I might have to agree not to sell at auction, and thats if they can find a mule for my mare. I do know I'll never purchase another stallion season for charity or other at auction.

[TBG]

I know that one of the auctions was for the hurricane relief effort. I seriously considered both St. Jovite and Lac Ouimet for a mare I have. I remember they both went for a fair amount of money. When I read that St. Jovite was headed over seas and Lac Ouimet and Salem Drive were pensioned, I wondered what that meant for the season buyers. Surely, Payson donated the seasons. I can’t imagine Starquine just made that up. That’s a bad deal. The seasons are bought to support these charities, but you do expect to get something as well. I hope things are somehow made right for you.

[FOS]

hi ragsdaj

I recommend that you consider contacting an attorney that knows his/her way around the thoroughbred industry...and discuss thoroughly and share all of your notes, records, paperwork etc related to the matter. It might take just that communication (and/or a couple of phone calls possibly) to determine an appropriate course of action, if any.

Furthermore...if you purchased your season at auction and the auction was advertised in the TB-Times and/or Blood-Horse magazine etc you might consider contacting the appropriate editor(s) and share your experience. They might offer assistance...who knows, they might even consider publishing an article (re: the matter) if the facts merit such an action.

Respectfully

[20dourmdd]

I lost a breeding to Salem Drive, but it was my fault because the mare that I was going to breed him to foaled late. I was told that I could breed to him this year, but he was retired. So I lost the breeding that I bought in the Indiana Thoroghbred Owners Breeders Auction. I bred to him when he was just starting in stud. I got two nice fillies from him that both won at the track, and I still have the mare that has had three foals, two at the track now, and one a yearling from the host of this message board's Indy Mood. Very tough, spirited, good confirmationed foals. That's why a lot of people didn't breed to him. He, Salem Drive, produced some hard to handle horses. My one filly, Radical Attitude, would hurt you if given the chance. Both were very so called "HOT" horses. I really liked all three Salem Drive, Lac Quimet, and St. Jovite of which were half (SD to LQ and SJ) brothers and full brothers (LQ and SJ). They were from the broodmare of the year Northern Sunset. She was quite a mare if you look up her progeny. I am hoping that my mare will produce just half as many good race horses.
I don't know who is running the farm now, but Ms. Kraft Payson is one very nice lady in the thoroghbred business.

Hope you get a breeding to the other big horse that was at the farm, but I really believe Payson Stud is going out of the stallion business.

Good Luck,
Dave

[hpkingjr]

I bought a season at the GA TOBA and the stallion moved from KY to NM. GA and Hopewell could not have been nicer. They undid the deal and the farm offered another season to several of their stallions at a huge discount to make up for the inconvenience.

It is POSSIBLE that the season was donated by a share holder who could not/did not want to use the season and knew nothing about the stallion move. You need to know who donated the season to figure that out but I hope you can resolve it.

[ragsdaj]

It sounds like the GA IOTB and Farm took responsibility. PAYSON STUD has said, Sorry Charlie; Keeneland has finally said they would help look into the matter, and Starquine is the one making calls to see if anyone feels charitable. Right now it looks like I donated my fee to Keeneland Foundation outright. That in itself a bad thing. I'm just really disappointed with the lack of honor or integrity from all three of the groups involved.

[madelyn]

Who is your mare?

[ragsdaj]

I wrote "That in itself a bad thing"

I meant to say that in itself isnt a bad thing. I was happy to contribute to assist with horses. Government doesnt do a lot for animals and private funding is needed.

Now starquine has already told me my mare is no good so be kind.

Her name is Patinham and I just picked her up at the January sale. I was looking for habitat and ballymoss to match with Northern Sunset side of St. Jovite's pedigree. Top influences would have been Norther Dancer, Ballymoss, Little Hut, Nearco, Nasrullah,and Little Hut.

[summerhorse]

Frankly I don't see that it matters if you want to breed a donkey, somebody owes you a similar breeding or the money back, charity or no charity. I would def. be contacting a lawyer AND writing letters to all the TB publications. It wouldn't be such good press for all these auctions if possible bidders knew they could be bidding on air.