My horses Mother?

Linda in TX · Postby **Linda in TX** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:38 pm

UmmYeah wrote:Is that how you see it? Cuz this is much more what it looks like to me:
You're thirteen
You're absolutely obsessed with Afleet Alex. You continually post messages to a racing and breeding forum inquiring about how you could acquire a mare in foal to your favorite horse.
Eventually you get (are given?) a three-year-old filly.
This is your in.
It doesn't matter that you don't know who the dam of this filly is, or that this filly has never been registered with the Jockey Club (let alone raced).
THIS IS YOUR IN.
By hook or by crook, this filly will be bred to Afleet Alex, and she will deliver a foal.
Then you will have a piece of your favorite horse ever! It's even better than collecting baseball cards!
There's only that same issue of the two grand to register this filly, and all of costs associated with a pregnant mare (it doesn't matter that she's still a filly). It doesn't even matter if you even break and race the resulting foal. You have a piece of AFLEET ALEX!!!
Oh, and then there's that other small issue of the forty grand stud fee too....

See above about responses in this thread from adults with holes in their head.

Please point out ONE reference to Afleet Alex that Jordan has made in this thread. I sure can't find any. But I've noticed plenty of others referring to "Afleet Alex" -- so much so, I wonder who's obsessed...

Marli · Postby **Marli** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:42 pm

Been following this thread daily and by the appearance of the 'views' so are many others! I am just waiting to read that the fillies parentage will be identified! Been some wonderful commentation - and the mystery is continues.... :wink:

UmmYeah · Postby **UmmYeah** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:48 pm

Linda in TX wrote:Please point out ONE reference to Afleet Alex that Jordan has made in this thread. I sure can't find any. But I've noticed plenty of others referring to "Afleet Alex" -- so much so, I wonder who's obsessed...

Linda, Jordan has referred to getting her in foal to AA in this thread. I'm not going to track it down, but read back through this thread. It's there. And furthermore, do a search for all of Jordan's posts in the past year. Prior to this thread, every one of them had to do with Afleet Alex racing, and then after he was retired to stud, they had do do with getting a mare in foal to Alex. So it's not much of a leap to think that he'd be targeting breeding this filly to AA.

For me, this is the biggest issue: how is he going to be able to pay all of the costs associated with breeding and raising horses? Seriously. What will happen to this horse in a year, or even six months? I mean, I'm a gainfully employed adult and I have a hard enough time keeping up with all of the costs of having a broodmare.

The whole thing was kind of funny when he was asking for a mare in foal to AA in October. Now, knowing that there is a horse that is at the mercy of this kid, it's just sad. I'm *very* worried about this filly. Where is she living? Who is caring for her? Who is paying for her care?

I'm trying not to think about it too much.

austique · Postby **austique** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:03 pm

UmmYeah,

Use your head! Seriously, he's what 11 (sorry if I got your age wrong Jordan). I'm sure he has parents. He's not some homeless street urchin with wi-fi and a digital camera wandering around Oregon. My parents footed the bill for me to have horses when I was his age.

What is it with you folks that you are so intent on being so heinously awful to this kid? He just wants to know the filly's parentage to get her into the performance horse registries and the only mention made of Afleet Alex was made by people being snotty, he responded like a kid with a dream would, so who are you spit on somebody that young's dream. Gainesway is not going to let her in the book anyway, so its kind of a mute point.

AfleetAlex#1fan · Postby **AfleetAlex#1fan** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:27 pm

Ok first of all my parents help me with this horse im not in it alone.Afleet Alex for a fact is booked right now anyways so even if I wanted to I cant breed her this year even if I had that kind of money at this time.I plan to have DNA typing done to try and figure out if Pie Rise is it but I need Abstract`s and Pie Rise`s DNA VGL Case #`s the Jockey Club wont give them out hope someone can help me get them.
Thanks,
Jordan

austique · Postby **austique** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:28 pm

Hey guys,

I just checked the stud farm's for sale site. The filly is listed as being 2 there. Of course who knows when it was last updated and she was sold with no papers. Sire is actually fairly well bred, but regional nonetheless.

BJ · Postby BJ » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:30 pm

austique wrote:Gotta agree with Linda here. The mare (if she is indeed the dam of the filly in question) is a decent solid type. Plenty of better bred horses have ended up at the killers for various reasons having nothing to do with their quality.

What's amusing is that everybody is arguing over a filly that probably can't be registered. There's the matter of a service certificate and even trying to find out for sure who the filly's dam is cause the Jockey Club is not going to run DNA against every mare in creation. The other thing everyone seems to have missed is that Jordan wanted to register the mare in performance horse registries and never at any time mentioned breeding her to Afleet Alex.

Registration is pending on Pie Rise's last foal (2003). I think it probably has more to do with fees than validity of parentage that the registration did not finalize. Why pay fees on a horse/foal you are willing to sell to the "killers"?

BJ · Postby BJ » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:40 pm

AfleetAlex#1fan wrote:Ok first of all my parents help me with this horse im not in it alone.Afleet Alex for a fact is booked right now anyways so even if I wanted to I cant breed her this year even if I had that kind of money at this time.I plan to have DNA typing done to try and figure out if Pie Rise is it but I need Abstract`s and Pie Rise`s DNA VGL Case #`s the Jockey Club wont give them out hope someone can help me get them.
Thanks,
Jordan

Jordan,

I say this with all sincerity...You should contact the Thoroughbred Times and suggest they do this as a human interest story. Perhaps the Jockey Club will receive "pressure" to quietly find it in their power to get the answer to the questions you ask. The headline should read...AFLEET ALEX'S #1 FAN is seeking identity of filly saved from slaughter.

Maybe the board members should sign a petition to get the answers from the JC. IMO, this is PRECISELY why the JC should REQUIRE accurate and up-to-date records. And if a horse is rescued out of a kill pen, the JC should GIVE this info out without all this BS!

After all of this Jordan...you had better love this filly and take real good care of her...or I'll come and turn you over my knee! :wink:

BJ · Postby BJ » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:46 pm

Linda in TX wrote:
Nancy T wrote:the dam was taken to slaughter and the filly was given away...yeah real value there, why breed MORE cheap animals that will end up in a bad way...

There's nothing "cheap" about a mare that produced six winners (through 2003) from six named foals who is half sister to a regional Champion from a family with a history of consistently producing winning race horses.

The mare had no control over her fate, nor did her fate reflect on her "quality."

This is the thing that makes me "doubt" it is Pie Rise's filly. Why would a mare with a good produce record and a sister to a "champion", end up at the killers? This story needs a little press to find the truth out here :!:

austique · Postby **austique** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:47 pm

Brilliant idea BJ! It would be a good heartwarming story and the publicity would probably ferret out the filly's identity, but Jordan prior to doing it tell the owner of Abstract you are going to do it and see if she can give you more info. I'll even write it up for you.

Ditto what BJ said about taking care of the filly!

Crystal · Postby **Crystal** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:51 pm

That would be a fantastic idea.. someone call NBC.. Just in time for the derby.. Ohh think of the PR!!!!

Pan Zareta · Postby **Pan Zareta** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:17 pm

BJ wrote: Why would a mare with a good produce record and a sister to a "champion", end up at the killers?

The first scenario that springs to mind is if she couldn't have any more foals.
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A few pages back Jordan insinuated that someone had offered to help him w/ the filly's paperwork.

Jordan wrote:"Lets work something out if you want a copy of the 2003 paperes we will see what we can do".

Maybe I'm wrong, but an explanation of that crypticism (which I requested to no avail) might be germaine to this discussion (presently an endless loop of the same-ol' same-ol') especially before anyone alerts the media.

I have to agree w/ Linda re. the merit of breeding a mare x Abstract - Pie Rise. Take a look at all the bt under the first three dams! Just b/c Pie Rise didn't produce it doesn't mean that her daus. won't produce some of their own, and if having a bt-producing 1st dam had been a criteria for breeding mares over the last 50 years or so a significant % of GSW would never have been born.

Pan Zareta · Postby **Pan Zareta** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:25 pm

BJ wrote:I think it probably has more to do with fees than validity of parentage that the registration did not finalize.

I agree w/ that 100% & was even wondering if the stud fee had ever been paid.

BJ · Postby BJ » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:15 pm

Pan Zareta wrote:
BJ wrote:I think it probably has more to do with fees than validity of parentage that the registration did not finalize.

I agree w/ that 100% & was even wondering if the stud fee had ever been paid.

Yeah...what about the former owner of the stallion, when the dam of this filly would have been bred? Wouldn't THEY have records? Don't THEY have to submit the registration "pending" info AND the DNA sample?

Also...did I miss Jordan's report on his/her phone call to Ricci Rathyka? I'm getting so torqued about this...I'm gonna call her pretty soon :roll:

Pan Zareta · Postby **Pan Zareta** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:12 pm

BJ wrote:Yeah...what about the former owner of the stallion, when the dam of this filly would have been bred? Wouldn't THEY have records? Don't THEY have to submit the registration "pending" info AND the DNA sample?

Sometimes the stallion owner/agent will take care of completing registrations for some/all of his foals, but afaik all they're required to do is include the mare on the RMB and issue or electronically release a svc. ctf. in compliance w/ terms of the breeding contract or agreement, which usually require payment of stud fee first. Whether that was paid in this case or not, a DNA kit would have gone out upon receipt of the LF report that we know was filed (tho' not by whom) on Pie Rise's '03 filly x Abstract. Obviously that kit was probably never returned. Another one could be requested from the JC, but to have it sent to someone other than the designee on the LF report I believe a legitimate sale/transfer of the filly would have to be proven first.

BJ wrote:Also...did I miss Jordan's report on his/her phone call to Ricci Rathyka? I'm getting so torqued about this...I'm gonna call her pretty soon

A call to RR, and/or to Abstract's current/former owners is probably the shortest route to a straight answer here.