Is she broodmare material?

ISABELLA · Postby **ISABELLA** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:26 am

I am looking at this mare to use as a broodmare(she is not sound).

She did not race but was instead used in a lesson program.

What do you think of her bloodlines? Anything special? Any suggestions on a good match?

Her name is Peirces Park and she is in the system.

Thanks!

syndeis · Postby **syndeis** » Thu May 04, 2006 12:04 pm

when you say she is not sound, could you be more specific?

her use as a broodmare depends more on that aspect than her pedigree

thanks

ISABELLA · Postby **ISABELLA** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:51 pm

She is showing signs of navicular changes in one of her front legs.

She has been being used in a lesson program and even jumping but is not staying sound enough to continue lessons.

Corrective shoeing is not working so she is better suited as a broodmare.

Thanks!

Melhor_Ainda · Postby **Melhor_Ainda** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:03 pm

She's got very old lines. An outcross for just about anything out there.

syndeis · Postby **syndeis** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:30 pm

second thoughts

AfleetAlex#1fan · Postby **AfleetAlex#1fan** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:50 pm

Ok here I go again I will suggest 2 studs Abstract or Afleet Alex.
Abstract = www.crosscountryranch.com
Afleet Alex = www.gainesway.com
You can find eachs tud at there web sites were they stand let me know which on you pick if etheir one.
Thanks,
Jordan

syndeis · Postby **syndeis** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:58 pm

AfleetAlex#1 Fan,

With great suggestions like these you are destined to become a great breeder yourself.

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:58 pm

AfleetAlex#1fan wrote:Ok here I go again I will suggest 2 studs Abstract or Afleet Alex.

This mare wouldn't even be sent to Afleet Alex's teaser stallion.

Slow down, Jordan. Obsession can be a very bad thing.

AfleetAlex#1fan · Postby **AfleetAlex#1fan** » Thu May 04, 2006 9:34 pm

This mare dosent have the greatest bloodlines but she got a B+ to Afleet Alex on the e-Nicks which is very good so sorry but do the reasearch before you speak.Thanks I know those 2 studs are great choices.I would send a mare to ethier one in a heart beat if they were not daughters of the horses and I had the money for them.
Thanks,
Jordan

teb · Postby **teb** » Thu May 04, 2006 9:34 pm

Never mind the stallion, being a broodmare you have to be somewhat sound to carry foals. I bought a mare last year who was perfectly sound on an ankle which had chips removed. About 5 months into her pregnancy she went very lame. Had xrays done again that showed her body was attacking the ankle at an alarming rate most likely from being pregnant. Got her sound and put her on a joint supplement. Did not want to have a pregnant mare on bute long term and herbal bute products are no good for pregnant mares. Anyhow, she was great until a month and a half from foaling. This time she went really crippled, quit eating, and got an ulcer in the bad ankle. It was a very trying time and lucky to get a live foal from her. The foal was very small and just an o.k. model. It's two months since her foal and she's finally starting to pick up weight but still lame. Don't think she will have another foal and don't know what her outcome is going to be. She is happy at the moment. To be honest I think it would be a bit cruel to put her through the whole thing again. She won 4 herself and is a half sister to a group horse so she has a bit of pedigree. My point is being a broodmare is a lot harder then picking out a stallion and getting her in foal. It's very hard on some mares. And then some people don't care and just use mares as vessels. If corrective trimming isn't working, I would think long and hard about putting her in foal just because you can.
Terri

Pete · Postby **Pete** » Thu May 04, 2006 9:41 pm

Hi Teb,

Excellent points.

Pete

syndeis · Postby **syndeis** » Thu May 04, 2006 10:29 pm

I am looking into navicular a little closer. I will post my findings. I know what it is I just dont know how much is heredity and how much is environment.

I know this will be an unpopular thing to say, but I would also look for a good (with references) natural hoof care provider.

syndeis · Postby **syndeis** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:00 pm

[Illustration: FIG. 163.--THE NAVICULAR BONE FROM A CASE OF LONG-STANDING
NAVICULAR DISEASE. The erosion of the cartilage on its central ridge is
most marked, and the porous appearance of the bone thus uncovered points
to the existence within it of a rarefactive ostitis. Along its edges
large osteophytic outgrowths speak of the effects of an osteoplastic
periostitis.]

1. _Hereditary Predisposition_.--That navicular disease is hereditary is
a fact that has for a long time been insisted on, and has come to be so
generally admitted that we do not intend to dwell on it here. As we have
said before, it is found in the lighter breeds of horses (and, according
to Zundel, especially in the English breeds), and is there seen to be
frequently transmitted from parent to offspring.

http://www.fullbooks.com/Diseases-of-th ... Foot7.html

Sam · Postby **Sam** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:49 am

AfleetAlex#1fan wrote:This mare dosent have the greatest bloodlines but she got a B+ to Afleet Alex on the e-Nicks which is very good so sorry but do the reasearch before you speak.Thanks I know those 2 studs are great choices.I would send a mare to ethier one in a heart beat if they were not daughters of the horses and I had the money for them.

Jordan, there is a heck of a lot more to being a "Good match" than just a good enick (and by the way, just so you know, I used to work for Werk). The person who needs to do their research would be you.

You're very focused on Afleet Alex and now Abstract AND THAT IS NOT A BAD THING, but you need to stop suggesting both horses every time someone mentions they have a mare to be bred. I only goes to show how much you still have to learn. There are so many more things that need to be considered than just "Oh I really like that horse because he was my favourite when he ran and he gets a B nick." First and foremost, any mare that is a good match to Abstract won't even be close to teaser stallion league to Afleet Alex. There's a term in the industry called "overbreeding."

sprucie · Postby **sprucie** » Fri May 05, 2006 2:20 am

I wouldn't breed this mare because as others have said the increasing weight in pregnancy will cause lots of pain and discomfort. If she's not sound enough to carry a rider for little while, then she's not sound enough to carry the 200+ lbs that mares put on by the end of pregnancy. Also, while the navicular itself may or may not be hereditary, the conformational flaws that cause it sure are! I would NOT use this mare as a broodmare unless you could 100% guarantee that the additional weight will not bother her, and that the resulting foal will not be pre-disposed to developing navicular itself.