hi guys
Lemon Drop Kid sired yesterday's G1-Kentucky Oaks winner...a 1 1/8 mile classic (on the dirt) considered by many to be America's most prestigious race for fillies. The winner, Lemons Forever, underscored (for me anyway) what I have believed for quite some time now, that LDK is a source of stamina.
That said...and Lemon Drop Kid as a racehorse-sire aside for now...I am becoming more-and-more convinced that his most notable mark (over the long term) might very well become as a broodmare-sire of TOP-class runners going beyond a mile and into the classics distances.
Lemon Drop Kid does not have even one daughter old enough to have produced even one single runner yet (LDK's first crop is but 4-yos of 2006)...regardless, I believe LDK will ultimately prove to be an exceptional broodmare-sire...and that his daughters will become highly sought after commodities. I expect he will get classics-contenders worldwide, racing on many surfaces.
I recommend that for those dreaming of breeding a classics-contender, consider getting your hands on a daughter of Lemon Drop Kid. Arguably it might be difficult to find a bargain daughter of LDK despite his limited success (prior to his daughter annexing the G1-KY Oaks) as a racehorse sire; after all many (if not most) of the Lemon Drop Kid's have BIG pedigrees. Regardless...now might be the time to consider moving on one...it would not surprise me to see some of his daughters become priceless (or at least worth a BIG chunk of change)...sooner rather than later.
Thoughts?
Respectfully
Lemon Drop Kid...will his daughters prove to be priceless?
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I agree with you FOS. LDK obviously had some talent at the track and his pedigree combines two very potent female lines. He hasn't gotten much done at the track yet, but there is quality in that family somewhere and given that his daughters have had more noteworthy success than his sons, they are definitely worth a look. Plus as you mentioned he's got the Dayjur factor of having bred very good early books of mares.
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All superior BMS have a great female family and LDK fits the mold.
LDK 2nd dam produced Week End Surprise the foundation and blue hen mare.
I will now put the daughters of LDK on my watch list. Thanks FOS for calling my attention to LDK. Yours in Sport Louis.
LDK 2nd dam produced Week End Surprise the foundation and blue hen mare.
I will now put the daughters of LDK on my watch list. Thanks FOS for calling my attention to LDK. Yours in Sport Louis.
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hi austique...hello LaTroienne...hi louis finochio
LDK's early books were outstanding...plus he gets offspring that in general have plenty of leg under them (unlike most of the Dayjurs) plus lots of length.
I suggest that the typical Lemon Drop Kid (based on what I've seen) could arguably (be described) as a lot more horse than the typical Dayjur (again, based on what I've seen)..
I sense that LDK is a very safe bet to be a broodmare-sire of two-turn and classics types...and I sense his daughters will get them on many surfaces.
I might describe LDK as a VERY good two-year-old (that did win a G1 going a mile)...that went on to become a TOP 3-yo (winning both the 1 1/4 mile G1-Travers and the 1 1/2 mile G1-Belmont)...then he earned eclipse honors as Champion Older Horse (at age 4).
I expect that LDK's offspring (in general) will mature to be best with age and as they stretch it out (as LDK himseld did). Isn't that the case with Lemons Forever, who won the G1-KY Oaks at 1 1/8 miles?
louis...I am convinced that LDK will be a VERY special broodmare-sire. The way I see him, he has an EXTREMELY powerful family to draw from...and I agree with your comment re: his "great female family" and that "LDK fits the mold."
Best to you.
Respectfully
austique wrote:"...as you mentioned (Lemon Drop Kid's) got the Dayjur factor of having bred very good early books of mares.
LDK's early books were outstanding...plus he gets offspring that in general have plenty of leg under them (unlike most of the Dayjurs) plus lots of length.
I suggest that the typical Lemon Drop Kid (based on what I've seen) could arguably (be described) as a lot more horse than the typical Dayjur (again, based on what I've seen)..
I sense that LDK is a very safe bet to be a broodmare-sire of two-turn and classics types...and I sense his daughters will get them on many surfaces.
LaTroienne wrote:Hopefully, (Lemon Drop Kid's) offspring'll improve with age...although he was great at 2.
I might describe LDK as a VERY good two-year-old (that did win a G1 going a mile)...that went on to become a TOP 3-yo (winning both the 1 1/4 mile G1-Travers and the 1 1/2 mile G1-Belmont)...then he earned eclipse honors as Champion Older Horse (at age 4).
I expect that LDK's offspring (in general) will mature to be best with age and as they stretch it out (as LDK himseld did). Isn't that the case with Lemons Forever, who won the G1-KY Oaks at 1 1/8 miles?
louis finochio wrote:All superior BMS have a great female family and LDK fits the mold.
LDK 2nd dam produced Week End Surprise the foundation and blue hen mare.
I will now put the daughters of LDK on my watch list. Thanks FOS for calling my attention to LDK. Yours in Sport Louis.
louis...I am convinced that LDK will be a VERY special broodmare-sire. The way I see him, he has an EXTREMELY powerful family to draw from...and I agree with your comment re: his "great female family" and that "LDK fits the mold."
Best to you.
Respectfully
I have believed for sometime that Lemon Drop Kid was due for a "big horse," only in this case, it was a "big filly." I watched the Oaks again early this morning on the TVG replay. Lemons Forever was a convincing winner, with few excuses for the others in my opinion. Her run from the back of the pack was impressive.
My question is this. Does anyone know what other LDK fillies I should keep an eye on? Any suggestions for additions to my Virtual Stable would be much appreciated.
Bedouwia
My question is this. Does anyone know what other LDK fillies I should keep an eye on? Any suggestions for additions to my Virtual Stable would be much appreciated.
Bedouwia
FOS, I can't agree with your positive spin on LDK. I think he's been a huge disappointment, but then - Kingmambo's sons really haven't done that well at stud. He's a better broodmare sire than sire of sires. I suppose LDK might do ok as a broodmare sire, but I can't predict any glory for him. Lemons Forever beat a bad bunch in the Oaks and I think it was probably more of a fluke than anything else.
hi louis finochio
As you know, I like the young sire Lemon Drop Kid's chances to be VERY successful as a broodmare sire, particularly of classics-types...
...as for an older-sire, I like Dynaformer not only as a TOP class racehorse sire, but also as a broodmare sire of consequence. He's worked his way up from the bargain basement to the elite level, and is the real deal...
...also in that older-sires of broodmares category, I say look hard at the Quiet American daughters. Can you believe he is 20-years-old already?
Thoughts?
Best to you.
Respectfully
louis finochio wrote:All superior BMS have a great female family and LDK fits the mold.
As you know, I like the young sire Lemon Drop Kid's chances to be VERY successful as a broodmare sire, particularly of classics-types...
...as for an older-sire, I like Dynaformer not only as a TOP class racehorse sire, but also as a broodmare sire of consequence. He's worked his way up from the bargain basement to the elite level, and is the real deal...
...also in that older-sires of broodmares category, I say look hard at the Quiet American daughters. Can you believe he is 20-years-old already?
Thoughts?
Best to you.
Respectfully
hi Betsy
No spin...I am just more than confident that LDK will be a VERY special broodmare-sire. I agree that (at least so far) Lemon Drop Kid has been a "huge disappointment" (your words) as a racehorse sire. Clearly though, a stallion does not have to become a highly successful racehorse sire to go on and prove to be an outstanding broodmare sire. Case in point, I offer Alysheba...a miserable racehorse sire...but the broodmare sire of some outstanding racehorses...most recently the G1-2000 Guineas winner George Washington (out of an Alysheba daughter).
If you are looking to breed to a sire that might need some help in the area of stamina...I sense (based on what I've seen, not just based on his pedigree) that Lemon Drop Kid daughters will fill the bill...and might get you that classic-hopeful.
As young as he is, those LDK daughters might be worth a close look right now (for their broodmare potential). I sense that they might become higher-priced commodities sooner rather than later.
Respectfully
Betsy wrote:FOS, I can't agree with your positive spin on LDK. I think he's been a huge disappointment, but then - Kingmambo's sons really haven't done that well at stud. He's a better broodmare sire than sire of sires. I suppose LDK might do ok as a broodmare sire, but I can't predict any glory for him. Lemons Forever beat a bad bunch in the Oaks and I think it was probably more of a fluke than anything else.
No spin...I am just more than confident that LDK will be a VERY special broodmare-sire. I agree that (at least so far) Lemon Drop Kid has been a "huge disappointment" (your words) as a racehorse sire. Clearly though, a stallion does not have to become a highly successful racehorse sire to go on and prove to be an outstanding broodmare sire. Case in point, I offer Alysheba...a miserable racehorse sire...but the broodmare sire of some outstanding racehorses...most recently the G1-2000 Guineas winner George Washington (out of an Alysheba daughter).
If you are looking to breed to a sire that might need some help in the area of stamina...I sense (based on what I've seen, not just based on his pedigree) that Lemon Drop Kid daughters will fill the bill...and might get you that classic-hopeful.
As young as he is, those LDK daughters might be worth a close look right now (for their broodmare potential). I sense that they might become higher-priced commodities sooner rather than later.
Respectfully
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Fos,
I watch all the Quiet American mares that come through my part of the country, because I have one. I would love to have more, and watch all the sales for them. I believe that QA will become one of the most sought after broodmare sires around. Look at AP Warrior and Bernardini both GR1 winners and the only 2 horses by AP Indy out of Quiet American mares, he's 2 for 2. By the way I love Lemon Drop Kids as well but they always seem to be too expensive for my blood at the sales because of their pedigree. And don't forget Saint Liam, not a bad race horse out of a Quiet American mare.
I watch all the Quiet American mares that come through my part of the country, because I have one. I would love to have more, and watch all the sales for them. I believe that QA will become one of the most sought after broodmare sires around. Look at AP Warrior and Bernardini both GR1 winners and the only 2 horses by AP Indy out of Quiet American mares, he's 2 for 2. By the way I love Lemon Drop Kids as well but they always seem to be too expensive for my blood at the sales because of their pedigree. And don't forget Saint Liam, not a bad race horse out of a Quiet American mare.
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hi Laro
The Quiet American daughters might still be somewhat underappreciated, but be assured (as you already know)...they can get TOP-class stock. Congrats on snagging one.
Many of them do have BIG pedigrees (which can translate to dollars)...but (based on what I've seen) many are the right kind physically (from my perspective) to potentially hit it BIG as broodmares of consequence (particularly of classics-types).
Respectfully
Laro wrote: Fos,
I watch all the Quiet American mares that come through my part of the country, because I have one. I would love to have more, and watch all the sales for them. I believe that QA will become one of the most sought after broodmare sires around.
The Quiet American daughters might still be somewhat underappreciated, but be assured (as you already know)...they can get TOP-class stock. Congrats on snagging one.
Laro wrote:By the way I love Lemon Drop Kids as well but they always seem to be too expensive for my blood at the sales because of their pedigree.
Many of them do have BIG pedigrees (which can translate to dollars)...but (based on what I've seen) many are the right kind physically (from my perspective) to potentially hit it BIG as broodmares of consequence (particularly of classics-types).
Respectfully
Quiet American
As an aside Fos, my mare is in foal to Came Home, which I'm really looking foward to..........