First Samurai retired

[Heidilady]

Well now. So was it the ribs that still had him unready or did he develop something else? Anyway he's retired. Anybody wanna have at the potential stud fee?

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34578

[Sam]

Well now. So was it the ribs that still had him unready or did he develop something else? Anyway he's retired. Anybody wanna have at the potential stud fee?

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34578

feh ... not worth much more than about $30k though they'll probably try to get more

[horsenuts]

Well now. So was it the ribs that still had him unready or did he develop something else? Anyway he's retired. Anybody wanna have at the potential stud fee?

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34578

I have no desire to breed to him or the countless studs like him. The stallion barns are bursting at the seams with studs like FS, horses that ran 5-6-7 times and then had to be "retired".

Now seriously, how or why would a breeder think he is going to get a horse that had much in the way of longevity/durability career wise from offspring of these type stallions? These type studs are the ruination of the breed and they are EVERYWHERE... add to that the ridiculous fees they get... and just who is the "bigger fool" that pony's up for these $10,000-20,000-30,000-$50,000 fees of these 3-4-5 race wonder horses.

Amazing that their is little if any premium paid for soundness in today's breeding and racing world. And they wonder why horses are breaking down at rates never seen before. It's no secret it all starts in the breeding shed. Infirmities to infirmities gets MORE infirmities.

[LSB]

I have no desire to breed to him or the countless studs like him. The stallion barns are bursting at the seams with studs like FS, horses that ran 5-6-7 times and then had to be "retired".

Amazing that their is little if any premium paid for soundness in today's breeding and racing world. And they wonder why horses are breaking down at rates never seen before. It's no secret it all starts in the breeding shed. Infirmities to infirmities gets MORE infirmities.

To me, breaking ribs on a starting gate counts as a freak accident and not an unsoundness he'd be expected to pass on.

[horsenuts]

I have no desire to breed to him or the countless studs like him. The stallion barns are bursting at the seams with studs like FS, horses that ran 5-6-7 times and then had to be "retired".

Amazing that their is little if any premium paid for soundness in today's breeding and racing world. And they wonder why horses are breaking down at rates never seen before. It's no secret it all starts in the breeding shed. Infirmities to infirmities gets MORE infirmities.

To me, breaking ribs on a starting gate counts as a freak accident and not an unsoundness he'd be expected to pass on.

Call me a cynic but anybody who believes the only issues this horse had was his ribs is apt to be buying oceanfront property in Arizona. It was reported in numerous racing media outlets that he had throat surgery last year after the BC so we know his airway had flaws.

A horse that can't make at least 10 solid starts preferabbly 20 or more, should be viewed with a jaundiced eye for breeding purposes. Yes, there are always the exception but stud farms are overflowing with horses like this who beget more just like them and that is not a good trend nor one that someone who is dedicated to raising a better animal should emulate. But, so long as they can keep juggling the commercial sales balls in the air expect more of this dubious breeding practice.

[BenB]

To me it looked like if there are some more serious flaws (mental),so it
woudl not be my choice.
His throat certainly woud be an other flaw, to wager in

[Urai]

I would breed a mare to him. The reason he retired had nothing to do with soundness issues caused from racing, breathing issues, or mental(that was a funny one). He's a nicely built colt that had nice talent. I'm not saying you are going to breed for a longer distance horse but he should sire many useful offspring. Depends on his fee but I'm excited to see his foals.

[louis finochio]

When these rising star TB are retired early and have been on med or a bandaid training program they will produce offspring that will be very unsound.

Long live the days of oats, hay, water, leg paint and those lifetime average starts of 36 per TB with no med.

[Urai]

He's not been on meds or bandaid treatment. I don't consider him one of those that retired like the rest of them. Where they were pushed early and survived till the derby with bute. Then made up some story where they couldn't run him, etc. Its not the same with this horse.

[horsenuts]

He's not been on meds or bandaid treatment. I don't consider him one of those that retired like the rest of them. Where they were pushed early and survived till the derby with bute. Then made up some story where they couldn't run him, etc. Its not the same with this horse.

I still would have liked to have seen more before considering him for breeding purposes. He was a precosious 2 year old but then the breeding world is full of precosious 2 year olds. He may prove to be the rare exception to the rule but based on the countless other studs like him I'll look elsewhere.

[geowarrior]

Look at the Stallion Register for Devil His Due. 40 races drug free. That's what we want in the breed (in my humble opinion).