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djones612000
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Whoops Oliver Age
My math sucks. Oliver was around 3 when rescued and is going on 5 now....
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Deborah
If you want Oliver to find a new home, I will try to make that happen. I can put him back on the internet, and try to find a new home for him. I have no doubts that you have done the best you can for him, and I know that it is a big financial responsiblity. When I rescued him and it looked like he would be able to find a home, it was partially because I knew that I, with my own commitments, could not commit to his financial needs for his lifetime. As you know, I board my horses just like you do, and it adds up exponentially. The only way I am able to keep the couple horses I do have is that they all are either half leased out or subsudised in some way. Occasionally I sell one of mine to a good home (this last Christmastime I sold my own Jumper mare, to help pay for the others) to keep the others taken care of.
I don't recall telling you that I would provide all of Oliver's meds for the duration of his life with you. If I lead you to believe that, I apologize. I gave you some when he came, and again afterwards, and I have no problem with helping periodically, but you have to understand I'm financially strapped as well, and it's not a matter of not wanting to help, but not being able to.
I don't think I misrepresented the horse. His original petfinder ad very clearly stated that he was going adoptable as a pet only, with many physical limitations. When you expressed interest in him, it was in this capacity only. Then a few months ago, you wanted to train and ride him, which from the last time I saw him, and my vets worked on him, seemed counterindicated.
The truth is that with very careful medical and farrier management, Oliver is comfortable enough and does well enough to be happy in a pasture or paddock setting for the short term. Due to the changing nature in his joints, he will have good and bad days, and need to be reassessed frequently and management adjusted accordingly. If this is not something you are willing or able to do, than I should find him another home. I can't frequently come up to acess him, or bring him down to my vets, due to lack of time, money for gas and mostly my truck being extremley unreliable- I don't want to break down with a horsetrailer and a horse on the 405!
Do I still take on rescue horses? Yes, occasionally- and I do everything they need medically or otherwise, then find them homes. I rescued one two weeks ago that was going to be put down. I have a month of board subsidized on him, and by then I should know if he will be able to recover from his illnesses with good care and management and find a home, or if he might indeed need to be put down. Am I still trying to find "Dancing Warrior"? Yes, I am- as I have for the last 3 years. And if by some miracle I ever do find him, alive and needing a home, I would do just about anything to offer him a home.
In my experience, if you love something enough, you can make it work. If you love Oliver, and you want to make it work, I will try to help you- but I cannot afford to subsudize his care. If you can't, I understand, and we should try to find him a new home.
PS- to those who think this horse should have been put down. Obviously, it's a personal decision, but in the case there were several vets and surgeons involved who all confered and decided that it was worth fixing the horse and continued following his progress during the 9+ months I had him. I left it in their hands to make a decision if he needed to be euthanized, and it was never felt necessary. The horse is remarkable, and despite front end lameness, will happily gallop, buck, rear and generally be an average young yorse in almost all ways.
If you want Oliver to find a new home, I will try to make that happen. I can put him back on the internet, and try to find a new home for him. I have no doubts that you have done the best you can for him, and I know that it is a big financial responsiblity. When I rescued him and it looked like he would be able to find a home, it was partially because I knew that I, with my own commitments, could not commit to his financial needs for his lifetime. As you know, I board my horses just like you do, and it adds up exponentially. The only way I am able to keep the couple horses I do have is that they all are either half leased out or subsudised in some way. Occasionally I sell one of mine to a good home (this last Christmastime I sold my own Jumper mare, to help pay for the others) to keep the others taken care of.
I don't recall telling you that I would provide all of Oliver's meds for the duration of his life with you. If I lead you to believe that, I apologize. I gave you some when he came, and again afterwards, and I have no problem with helping periodically, but you have to understand I'm financially strapped as well, and it's not a matter of not wanting to help, but not being able to.
I don't think I misrepresented the horse. His original petfinder ad very clearly stated that he was going adoptable as a pet only, with many physical limitations. When you expressed interest in him, it was in this capacity only. Then a few months ago, you wanted to train and ride him, which from the last time I saw him, and my vets worked on him, seemed counterindicated.
The truth is that with very careful medical and farrier management, Oliver is comfortable enough and does well enough to be happy in a pasture or paddock setting for the short term. Due to the changing nature in his joints, he will have good and bad days, and need to be reassessed frequently and management adjusted accordingly. If this is not something you are willing or able to do, than I should find him another home. I can't frequently come up to acess him, or bring him down to my vets, due to lack of time, money for gas and mostly my truck being extremley unreliable- I don't want to break down with a horsetrailer and a horse on the 405!
Do I still take on rescue horses? Yes, occasionally- and I do everything they need medically or otherwise, then find them homes. I rescued one two weeks ago that was going to be put down. I have a month of board subsidized on him, and by then I should know if he will be able to recover from his illnesses with good care and management and find a home, or if he might indeed need to be put down. Am I still trying to find "Dancing Warrior"? Yes, I am- as I have for the last 3 years. And if by some miracle I ever do find him, alive and needing a home, I would do just about anything to offer him a home.
In my experience, if you love something enough, you can make it work. If you love Oliver, and you want to make it work, I will try to help you- but I cannot afford to subsudize his care. If you can't, I understand, and we should try to find him a new home.
PS- to those who think this horse should have been put down. Obviously, it's a personal decision, but in the case there were several vets and surgeons involved who all confered and decided that it was worth fixing the horse and continued following his progress during the 9+ months I had him. I left it in their hands to make a decision if he needed to be euthanized, and it was never felt necessary. The horse is remarkable, and despite front end lameness, will happily gallop, buck, rear and generally be an average young yorse in almost all ways.
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KamiBrooks
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In my experience, if you love something enough, you can make it work. If you love Oliver, and you want to make it work, I will try to help you- but I cannot afford to subsudize his care.
TO ALL:
I can give at least 8 documented examples of 'rescues' that have used this exact phrase to avoid responsibility for an animal that they have adopted out and are now being asked to take back. In ALL those cases the horse in question is either a pasture ornament or was being legitamately dangerous. IMHO This is a cheap emotional shot used by many rescue organizations to avoid the responsibility that they claim to provide to their charges.
TO ROCOCOMS:
My impression from this thread is that you did not sell this animal. You placed him under the guise of being a 'rescue' organization.
So, given that YOU, Rococoms, made a quality of life decision for this animal and YOU are taking the credit for his rescue (as posted on your web site), I would suggest that if YOU care about this animal enough to put it through years of heroic medical measures to bring him to a point where micro-management is required to keep him comfortable, then YOU should make it work for him.
djones612000 has made an attempt and is no longer able to provide the care he needs. She has clearly stated that. And, even if she were just tired of him, his long term welfare is YOUR responsibility. So I would suggest that if YOU (Rococoms) love this animal then YOU should make it work.
And if djones612000 wanted to put him into training that is 'counterindicated' then why were you not down there retrieving him? Why did you allow her to attempt something that would worsen his fagile state?
You are the one calling herself a 'rescue' person. You are the experienced vet tech who thought it isn't cruel to set this animal up to have such great needs. So I suggest that you should make this work out for the best interest of the horse and not resort to emotional blackmail statements like "if you loved this animal you'd make it work'. It seems that you and your vet team are the best qualified to continue the management that you've set this animal up to require. So I do not see why you're trying to place him in homes distant from the care he requires.
It seems to me that there are many interested in the excitement of trying to rehabilitate a 'train wreck' (to use your words) but once they've achieved their best possible income, loose interest for the 10-25 years remaining where the animal needs constaint care/management. So are you only interested in the ones that can bring in "subsidies" (again your term) or are you responsible enough to actually care about the quality of the rest of their lives?
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While I agree, the rescue organization that made the decision to put this animal through extreme measures and a lifetime of EXTREME DEPENDENCY, should be the one responsible. However, MY BIGGEST FEAR is this animal will end up with another person who WANTS to help him, but simply cannot afford the time or the money required to keep this animal humanely safe from harm. Or, WORSE...WHAT IF Oliver ends up with someone who doesn't care as much as Deborah, to let the original rescue org. KNOW? WHAT IF, the next person just abandons him, as Deborah COULD HAVE, leaving him at the facility that she THOUGHT would care for him, with her help, ONLY TO FIND HE WAS NOT CARED FOR AND IN PAIN, and having to take him back with her.
THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH THIS SITUATION:
WITHOUT THE CONSTANT FOLLOW-THRU AND FOLLOW UP ON THIS SWEET HORSE, HE IS DOOMED TO BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO PROMISE BUT DON'T KEEP THOSE PROMISES!
If you, MINA, cannot PROMISE and KEEP THAT PROMISE, then you are not fit to RESCUE any animal. When you rescue an animal, that very act is promising he will never face that horrible fate of neglect or horror ever again.
I believe Helen Woodward Animal Hospital should be contacted to assist with the placement and/or future medical decisions on this horse, since that facility made the decision that THIS HORSE would be saved for BETTER DAYS. I also believe that ALL WHO LOVE THIS HORSE SHOULD BE WITH HIM THROUGH WHEREVER THIS ROAD LEADS HIM. He needs you ALL!
Respectfully,
BJ
KamiBrooks wrote:KAMI BROOKS to Rococoms: You are the one calling herself a 'rescue' person. You are the experienced vet tech who thought it isn't cruel to set this animal up to have such great needs. So I suggest that you should make this work out for the best interest of the horse and not resort to emotional blackmail statements like "if you loved this animal you'd make it work'. It seems that you and your vet team are the best qualified to continue the management that you've set this animal up to require. So I do not see why you're trying to place him in homes distant from the care he requires.<<<<
While I agree, the rescue organization that made the decision to put this animal through extreme measures and a lifetime of EXTREME DEPENDENCY, should be the one responsible. However, MY BIGGEST FEAR is this animal will end up with another person who WANTS to help him, but simply cannot afford the time or the money required to keep this animal humanely safe from harm. Or, WORSE...WHAT IF Oliver ends up with someone who doesn't care as much as Deborah, to let the original rescue org. KNOW? WHAT IF, the next person just abandons him, as Deborah COULD HAVE, leaving him at the facility that she THOUGHT would care for him, with her help, ONLY TO FIND HE WAS NOT CARED FOR AND IN PAIN, and having to take him back with her.
THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH THIS SITUATION:
WITHOUT THE CONSTANT FOLLOW-THRU AND FOLLOW UP ON THIS SWEET HORSE, HE IS DOOMED TO BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO PROMISE BUT DON'T KEEP THOSE PROMISES!
If you, MINA, cannot PROMISE and KEEP THAT PROMISE, then you are not fit to RESCUE any animal. When you rescue an animal, that very act is promising he will never face that horrible fate of neglect or horror ever again.
I believe Helen Woodward Animal Hospital should be contacted to assist with the placement and/or future medical decisions on this horse, since that facility made the decision that THIS HORSE would be saved for BETTER DAYS. I also believe that ALL WHO LOVE THIS HORSE SHOULD BE WITH HIM THROUGH WHEREVER THIS ROAD LEADS HIM. He needs you ALL!
Respectfully,
BJ
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Skipitgirl
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I still stand by my opinion that this horse should have been euthanized rather than "saved".
Your words here:
The truth is that with very careful medical and farrier management, Oliver is comfortable enough and does well enough to be happy in a pasture or paddock setting for the short term. Due to the changing nature in his joints, he will have good and bad days, and need to be reassessed frequently and management adjusted accordingly.
Why would you spend thousands on a horse who may have a "few" comfortable years?
Also, why did you need to ask for help to pay for his surgeries? I would be willing to bet that if you had told the vets you had no funds to pay them, they would have had a different opinion on his outlook.
Ive had horses for 30 years and have rescued many a horse in need. Ive never taken one I couldnt pay for the treatment and I have never asked anyone to help pay expenses. I could tell the ones who couldnt be helped and gave my vet the heads up when I called. My vet charges me cost on the rescue horses but he has never given treatment to a rescue for free nor would I expect him to.
Sometimes the best way to "save" a life, is to let it go.
Your words here:
The truth is that with very careful medical and farrier management, Oliver is comfortable enough and does well enough to be happy in a pasture or paddock setting for the short term. Due to the changing nature in his joints, he will have good and bad days, and need to be reassessed frequently and management adjusted accordingly.
Why would you spend thousands on a horse who may have a "few" comfortable years?
Also, why did you need to ask for help to pay for his surgeries? I would be willing to bet that if you had told the vets you had no funds to pay them, they would have had a different opinion on his outlook.
Ive had horses for 30 years and have rescued many a horse in need. Ive never taken one I couldnt pay for the treatment and I have never asked anyone to help pay expenses. I could tell the ones who couldnt be helped and gave my vet the heads up when I called. My vet charges me cost on the rescue horses but he has never given treatment to a rescue for free nor would I expect him to.
Sometimes the best way to "save" a life, is to let it go.
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KamiBrooks
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BJ - I agree with you completely. My reaction was to what I consider an emotional blackmail comment that I have seen repeatedly. It is not fair tactic to use against a person who is facing the reality of their limitations.
I don't know Oliver's situation, except from the posting on the web site and this thread. It is unfortunate that this horse's original owner (before the 'rescue') did not act responsibly for him. I can only pray that someone with his best interest and the ability to act responsibly for him will come into his life soon.
I don't know Oliver's situation, except from the posting on the web site and this thread. It is unfortunate that this horse's original owner (before the 'rescue') did not act responsibly for him. I can only pray that someone with his best interest and the ability to act responsibly for him will come into his life soon.
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Skipitgirl
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Here is my best rescue.
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/ ... h=imgAnch1
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/ ... h=imgAnch2
8 yr old TBX mare. Arrived April 10 2005 emmaciated. 2nd photo is June 2005, a mere 8 weeks later.
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/ ... h=imgAnch1
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/ ... h=imgAnch2
8 yr old TBX mare. Arrived April 10 2005 emmaciated. 2nd photo is June 2005, a mere 8 weeks later.
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KamiBrooks
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Sometimes the best way to "save" a life, is to let it go
agree completely and
WOW! Bopp is lucky to have had you come into her life.
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A HORSE'S PRAYER
To Deborah & Rococoms:
Prayers from a Horse...
Author: Anonymous
GIVE ME TIME to know what you want of me. I don't understand your words;
DON'T BE ANGRY with me when I do not understand. I have only you to explain things to me;
TALK TO ME. Even if I don't understand your words, I understand your voice.
BE AWARE that however you treat me, I will not forget it;
KEEP ME SAFE FROM HARM, because I am no longer wild and able to know my enemies;
BEFORE YOU HIT ME, remember I have teeth that could crush the bones in your hand and hooves that could kill you. But I choose not to use them;
BEFORE YOU SCOLD ME for being lazy or uncooperative, ASK YOURSELF IF I AM WELL or if something may be bothering me;
MY LIFE IS LIKELY TO LAST 20 to 30 YEARS. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT I AM TAKEN CARE OF, because I cannot care for myself;
GO WITH ME ON DIFFICULT JOURNEYS. Dont' say, "I can't stand to watch it", or "let it happen in my absence". EVERYTHING IS EASIER FOR ME IF YOU ARE THERE;
PLACE YOUR TRUST IN ME and I will trust you...
A POEM FOR OIL PRO ( A neglected horse, rescued in his last days) Poem taken from the EXCELLER FUND website, www.excellerfund.org
Poem for Oil Pro
I'll lend you for a little while
My grandest foal, He said.
For you to love while he's alive
And morn for when he's dead.
It may be one or twenty years,
Or days or months , you see.
But, will you, till I take him back
Take care of him for me?
He'll bring his charms to gladden you,
And should his stay be brief
You'll have treasured memories
As solace for your grief.
I cannot promise he will stay,
Since all from earth return.
But, there are lessons taught on earth
I want this foal to learn.
I've looked the wide world over
In my search for teachers true.
And from the throngs that crowd life's lanes With trust I have selected you.
Now will you give him your total love?
Nor think the labor vain,
Nor hate Me when I come
To take him back again?
I know you'll give him tenderness
And love will bloom each day.
And for the happiness you've known
Forever grateful stay.
But should I come and call for him
Much sooner than you'd planned
You'll brave the bitter grief that comes
And someday you'll understand.
Back to the In Loving Memory page http://www.excellerfund.org/horses/inmem2.htm
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Prayers from a Horse...
Author: Anonymous
GIVE ME TIME to know what you want of me. I don't understand your words;
DON'T BE ANGRY with me when I do not understand. I have only you to explain things to me;
TALK TO ME. Even if I don't understand your words, I understand your voice.
BE AWARE that however you treat me, I will not forget it;
KEEP ME SAFE FROM HARM, because I am no longer wild and able to know my enemies;
BEFORE YOU HIT ME, remember I have teeth that could crush the bones in your hand and hooves that could kill you. But I choose not to use them;
BEFORE YOU SCOLD ME for being lazy or uncooperative, ASK YOURSELF IF I AM WELL or if something may be bothering me;
MY LIFE IS LIKELY TO LAST 20 to 30 YEARS. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT I AM TAKEN CARE OF, because I cannot care for myself;
GO WITH ME ON DIFFICULT JOURNEYS. Dont' say, "I can't stand to watch it", or "let it happen in my absence". EVERYTHING IS EASIER FOR ME IF YOU ARE THERE;
PLACE YOUR TRUST IN ME and I will trust you...
A POEM FOR OIL PRO ( A neglected horse, rescued in his last days) Poem taken from the EXCELLER FUND website, www.excellerfund.org
Poem for Oil Pro
I'll lend you for a little while
My grandest foal, He said.
For you to love while he's alive
And morn for when he's dead.
It may be one or twenty years,
Or days or months , you see.
But, will you, till I take him back
Take care of him for me?
He'll bring his charms to gladden you,
And should his stay be brief
You'll have treasured memories
As solace for your grief.
I cannot promise he will stay,
Since all from earth return.
But, there are lessons taught on earth
I want this foal to learn.
I've looked the wide world over
In my search for teachers true.
And from the throngs that crowd life's lanes With trust I have selected you.
Now will you give him your total love?
Nor think the labor vain,
Nor hate Me when I come
To take him back again?
I know you'll give him tenderness
And love will bloom each day.
And for the happiness you've known
Forever grateful stay.
But should I come and call for him
Much sooner than you'd planned
You'll brave the bitter grief that comes
And someday you'll understand.
Back to the In Loving Memory page http://www.excellerfund.org/horses/inmem2.htm
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KamiBrooks wrote:BJ - I agree with you completely. My reaction was to what I consider an emotional blackmail comment that I have seen repeatedly. It is not fair tactic to use against a person who is facing the reality of their limitations.
I totally understand your reaction.
My only concern is that Oliver cannot speak for himself, NOR can he keep himself safe, while PEOPLE argue over who should take responsibility. I think HELEN WOODWARD EQUINE HOSPITAL should intervene and be the follow up on this animal, to be sure he is never neglected, or be there to help those who love him, but cannot care for him, let him go.
Personally, I would love to believe that someone would care for him and keep him safe for the rest of his life. But I just don't believe it will happen. That is why MINA has NO BUSINESS rescuing any horses, because she is UNABLE to see to their forever care. That is what a QUALIFIED, reputable rescue MUST DO.
I know there are those that would want to...but the reality is...it is a huge job and a constant job. And unless one is quite wealthy, with lots of pasture and barn space, too few of these precious, but extremely needy creatures, will ever find a truly safe forever home.
And yes...his original owners should be held accountable for his abandonment!
And yes...his original owners should be held accountable for his abandonment!
There are no original owners. Animal control found him wandering down the streets on three legs. No owner ever came forward, and despite questioning all the vets and farriers in the area he was from, we never traced an owner.
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Skipitgirl
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djones612000
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THE PLIGHT OF MY SWEET OLIVER
I AM SITTING HERE IN TEARS AS I READ ALL YOUR POSTS.
I AM NOT CRYING FOR MYSELF BUT MY SWEET BOY. I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU WHO SAID HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAVED MY ANYONE IF HE WAS ONLY TO BE ABANDONED BY MINA AND THE VETS INVOLVED IN HIS TREATMENTS.
MINA... IN YOUR POST ON HORSESHOES.COM YOU CLEARLY STATE THAT YOU ARE COMMITTED TO THIS HORSE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE..
WHEN DID YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, OR WERE YOU JUST SPOUTING OFF TO SOUND LIKE SOME MARTYR..
I MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT I WOULD NEED YOUR HELP IN MEDS AND OTHER SUPPLEMENTS.. NOT THE FULL COST BUT HELP WITH THEM..
IT ALSO STATES IN YOUR WEBSITE OR THE LINK TO HIS RESCUE WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE TO ADOPT HIM THAT HIS LIFE LONG MEDICAL CARE WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. I HAVE PRINTED THAT OFF AND I HAVE A COPY OF IT..
NADIA CONTACTED YOU IN MARCH WHEN SHE TOOK HIM TO THE RANCH BECAUSE SHE HAD A COPY OF THAT ALSO AND WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW SHE NOW HAD HIM.. THEY DID THE BEST THEY COULD FOR HIM BUT LIKE ME.. THEY DID NOT KNOW THE GRAVITY OF HIS SITUATION.. AND AT THE LEAST THEY THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE AROUND TO ASSIST.
IN YOUR RESPONSE TO MY EMAIL THAT YOU ALSO POSTED ON HERE YOU DONT EVEN EXPLAIN OR APOLOGISE FOR BEING ABSCENT SINCE JANUARY THIS YEAR.. NO EXPLANATION AS TO WHY YOU DID NOT SHOW UP THAT DAY WHEN HE WAS READY FOR YOU TO TAKE FOR A MONTH TO DO SOME GROUND WORK ON HIM AGAIN.. AND TO TRY AND TRAIN HIM TO BE SADDLE BROKE FOR REASONS THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN A GOOD THERAPUTIC RIDING HORSE FOR SMALL KIDS. NOT ADULTS.. NOT FOR ME TO RIDE.. YOU KNEW THAT.
OBVIOUSLY NOW THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE QUESTION DUE TO HIS NEGLECT AT THE RANCH AND YOUR FAILURE TO HELP OUT.
TO ALL: WHEN I SPOKE TO THE RECEPTIONIS AT HELEN WOODWARD ONLY LAST MONTH.. SHE TOLD ME THAT DR VASQUEZ DID OLIVERS SURGERY FOR FREE.. BECAUSE MINA WAS AN EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME.. SO I DONT KNOW WHAT SHE ACTUALLY PAID FOR.. OTHER THAN BOARD ONCE HE LEFT HW AFTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN REHAB.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WHEN I SPOKE WITH HER STABLE MANAGER OR OWNER WHEN I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE SHE WAS.. I WAS INFORMED THAT MINA RUNS UP DEBTS AT VARIOUS STABLES BECAUSE SHE CONTINUES TO RESCUE THIS HORSES AND THEN CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEIR RENT.
MINA... WHAT ARE YOU THINKING.. I AM GOING TO TAKE ALL ACTION NECESSARY IN STOPPING YOU FROM EVER RESCUING ANOTHER HORSE.
I AM BLOWN AWAY BY YOUR LOGIC IN THAT YOU CONTINUE AS RECENT AS A FEW WEEKS AGO TO RESCUE ANOTHER HORSE WHO MAY HAVE TO BE PUT DOWN ANYWAY... AS YOU SAY.. AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO TRY AND FIND ANOTHER UNSUSPECTING VICTIM TO PALM THIS POOR ANIMAL ONTO...
BJ IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT... THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO RESCUE THESE ANIMALS UNLESS YOU HAVE LIMITLESS AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR ONGOING MEDICAL CARE, OR IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ADOPT THE HORSE TO VERY VERY WEALTHY AND KNOWLEDEABLE FOLK WHO CAN SPEND A LIFETIME OF MONEY, LOVE AND CARE ON THEM.
I HAVE CONSIDERED EVERY POSSIBILITY FOR OLIVER.. AND BECAUSE OF HIS LEGS HE CANNOT JUST BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE FOR MONTHS ON END.. AS MY VET ONLY INFORMED ME LAST MONTH... HE NEEDS RESTRICTED PASTURE TIME.. BECAUSE HE IS YOUNG AND LOVES TO RUN AROUND.. HE PUTS MORE STRESS ON HIS JOINTS ONLY LEADING TO MORE PAIN AND LAMENESS FOR HIMSELF.
I HAVE DRIVEN HUNDREDS OF MILES IN THE LAST 6 WEEKS VISITING RESCUE PLACES ONLY TO BE DISAPPOINTED IN HOW THEY CANNOT PROVIDE THE TYPE OF HOUSING AND CARE HE NEEDS. THESE PLACES ARE IDEAL FOR RETIRED HEALTHY HORSES BUT NOT FOR OLIVER. AFTER THE LAST EXPERIENCE I DO NOT TRUST ANYONE TO TAKE CARE OF HIM THE WAY THAT I HAVE AND WHAT HE NEEDS.
SADLY, MINA I DONT THINK I COULD EVEN TRUST YOU AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE YOU STILL THINK HE CAN BE PASSED OF AS SOME PASTURE ORNAMENT AND HE MOST DEFINATELY CAN NOT!!!!
NOT ONLY ARE HIS FRONT LEGS AFFECTED BUT ALSO HIS HIND DUE TO THE WEIGHT HE PUTS ON THEM TO COMPENSATE FOR THE WEAKNESS IN THE FRONTS.
I AM MOVING HOUSE THIS WEEKEND. NEXT WEEK I AM DRIVING TO HW TO MEET WITH THOSE INVOLVED IN OLIVERS SURGERIES ETC.
I AM THEN GOING TO CONTACT ANIMAL CONTROL WHO I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL TIMES AND WILL GET OLIVERS PAPERWORK.
AFTER GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THOSE PARTIES, I WILL THEN MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAIN MINA.
I WILL ALSO MAKE THE DECISION BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER ON WHETHER TO SEND MY BOY TO RAINBOW BRIDGE.
IF ANY OF YOU WISH TO EMAIL ME PRIVATELY WITH ANY ADVISE ON HOW TO HANDLE THIS IN A LEGAL MATTER I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL AND WILL KEEP YOUR INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL.
LASTLY TO MINA... HOW DARE YOU TRY TO MANIPULATE ME EMOTIONALLY BY TRYING TO SAY THAT I DONT LOVE MY BOY ENOUGH...
I HAVE PUT OLIVER ABOVE MY OWN HEALTH, MY OWN FINANCIAL SECURITY, MY ONGOING COLLEGE EDUCATION, MY FAMILY IN THE UK AND MY PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP OF 5 YEARS (which ended due to the amount of time and money that has gone into him..the words of my ex.. I wish I was a horse!!).. AND NUMEROUS FRIENDS THAT I HAVE LOST DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND MONEY THAT HAS GONE INTO HIS WELLBEING. I HAVE DONE THIS SELFLESSLY AND WOULD HAVE NEVER MENTIONED OR COMPLAINED ABOUT IT BUT I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO NOW HAVE TO PUT MY NEEDS FIRST IN REGARDS TO MY OWN DISABILITY. I SAW MY ORTHO AND NEURO SURGEON ON 8/22 AND WAS TOLD THAT EACH DAY WITHOUT THE NEURO SURGERY I PLACE MY OWN LIFE AT RISK BECAUSE THE DISCS IN MY NECK ARE NOW TOUCHING MY SPINAL CORD.. I ALSO HAVE TO HAVE BOTH OF MY HIPS REPLACED IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THIS IS ALL DUE TO A DEGENERATIVE ARTHRITIS WHICH WAS NOT DIAGNOSED UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AFTER ADOPTING OLIVER. OBVIOUSLY HAD I KNOWN HOW SERIOUS OWN CONDITION WAS I WOULD NOT HAVE ADOPTED HIM.
SORRY TO HAVE TO GO INTO SUCH PERSONAL DETAIL REGARDING MY OWN HEALTH BUT I NEED TO LET MINA KNOW HOW SERIOUS MY OWN SITUATION HAS NOW BECOME.. AND THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT BECAUSE I LOVE OLIVER SO MUCH THAT I HAVE PLACED MY OWN LIFE AT RISK. WHAT GOOD WILL I BE IF I AM NOT AROUND OR STUCK IN A WHEEL CHAIR FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!
NOW I MUST SIGN OFF SO I CAN BE AT THE STABLE BY 6AM
I AM INDEBTED TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE IN EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS IN THIS VERY SAD SITUATION.
BEST WISHES
DEBORAH
I AM NOT CRYING FOR MYSELF BUT MY SWEET BOY. I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU WHO SAID HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAVED MY ANYONE IF HE WAS ONLY TO BE ABANDONED BY MINA AND THE VETS INVOLVED IN HIS TREATMENTS.
MINA... IN YOUR POST ON HORSESHOES.COM YOU CLEARLY STATE THAT YOU ARE COMMITTED TO THIS HORSE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE..
WHEN DID YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, OR WERE YOU JUST SPOUTING OFF TO SOUND LIKE SOME MARTYR..
I MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT I WOULD NEED YOUR HELP IN MEDS AND OTHER SUPPLEMENTS.. NOT THE FULL COST BUT HELP WITH THEM..
IT ALSO STATES IN YOUR WEBSITE OR THE LINK TO HIS RESCUE WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE TO ADOPT HIM THAT HIS LIFE LONG MEDICAL CARE WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. I HAVE PRINTED THAT OFF AND I HAVE A COPY OF IT..
NADIA CONTACTED YOU IN MARCH WHEN SHE TOOK HIM TO THE RANCH BECAUSE SHE HAD A COPY OF THAT ALSO AND WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW SHE NOW HAD HIM.. THEY DID THE BEST THEY COULD FOR HIM BUT LIKE ME.. THEY DID NOT KNOW THE GRAVITY OF HIS SITUATION.. AND AT THE LEAST THEY THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE AROUND TO ASSIST.
IN YOUR RESPONSE TO MY EMAIL THAT YOU ALSO POSTED ON HERE YOU DONT EVEN EXPLAIN OR APOLOGISE FOR BEING ABSCENT SINCE JANUARY THIS YEAR.. NO EXPLANATION AS TO WHY YOU DID NOT SHOW UP THAT DAY WHEN HE WAS READY FOR YOU TO TAKE FOR A MONTH TO DO SOME GROUND WORK ON HIM AGAIN.. AND TO TRY AND TRAIN HIM TO BE SADDLE BROKE FOR REASONS THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN A GOOD THERAPUTIC RIDING HORSE FOR SMALL KIDS. NOT ADULTS.. NOT FOR ME TO RIDE.. YOU KNEW THAT.
OBVIOUSLY NOW THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE QUESTION DUE TO HIS NEGLECT AT THE RANCH AND YOUR FAILURE TO HELP OUT.
TO ALL: WHEN I SPOKE TO THE RECEPTIONIS AT HELEN WOODWARD ONLY LAST MONTH.. SHE TOLD ME THAT DR VASQUEZ DID OLIVERS SURGERY FOR FREE.. BECAUSE MINA WAS AN EMPLOYEE AT THE TIME.. SO I DONT KNOW WHAT SHE ACTUALLY PAID FOR.. OTHER THAN BOARD ONCE HE LEFT HW AFTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN REHAB.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WHEN I SPOKE WITH HER STABLE MANAGER OR OWNER WHEN I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE SHE WAS.. I WAS INFORMED THAT MINA RUNS UP DEBTS AT VARIOUS STABLES BECAUSE SHE CONTINUES TO RESCUE THIS HORSES AND THEN CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEIR RENT.
MINA... WHAT ARE YOU THINKING.. I AM GOING TO TAKE ALL ACTION NECESSARY IN STOPPING YOU FROM EVER RESCUING ANOTHER HORSE.
I AM BLOWN AWAY BY YOUR LOGIC IN THAT YOU CONTINUE AS RECENT AS A FEW WEEKS AGO TO RESCUE ANOTHER HORSE WHO MAY HAVE TO BE PUT DOWN ANYWAY... AS YOU SAY.. AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO TRY AND FIND ANOTHER UNSUSPECTING VICTIM TO PALM THIS POOR ANIMAL ONTO...
BJ IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT... THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO RESCUE THESE ANIMALS UNLESS YOU HAVE LIMITLESS AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR ONGOING MEDICAL CARE, OR IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ADOPT THE HORSE TO VERY VERY WEALTHY AND KNOWLEDEABLE FOLK WHO CAN SPEND A LIFETIME OF MONEY, LOVE AND CARE ON THEM.
I HAVE CONSIDERED EVERY POSSIBILITY FOR OLIVER.. AND BECAUSE OF HIS LEGS HE CANNOT JUST BE PUT OUT TO PASTURE FOR MONTHS ON END.. AS MY VET ONLY INFORMED ME LAST MONTH... HE NEEDS RESTRICTED PASTURE TIME.. BECAUSE HE IS YOUNG AND LOVES TO RUN AROUND.. HE PUTS MORE STRESS ON HIS JOINTS ONLY LEADING TO MORE PAIN AND LAMENESS FOR HIMSELF.
I HAVE DRIVEN HUNDREDS OF MILES IN THE LAST 6 WEEKS VISITING RESCUE PLACES ONLY TO BE DISAPPOINTED IN HOW THEY CANNOT PROVIDE THE TYPE OF HOUSING AND CARE HE NEEDS. THESE PLACES ARE IDEAL FOR RETIRED HEALTHY HORSES BUT NOT FOR OLIVER. AFTER THE LAST EXPERIENCE I DO NOT TRUST ANYONE TO TAKE CARE OF HIM THE WAY THAT I HAVE AND WHAT HE NEEDS.
SADLY, MINA I DONT THINK I COULD EVEN TRUST YOU AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE YOU STILL THINK HE CAN BE PASSED OF AS SOME PASTURE ORNAMENT AND HE MOST DEFINATELY CAN NOT!!!!
NOT ONLY ARE HIS FRONT LEGS AFFECTED BUT ALSO HIS HIND DUE TO THE WEIGHT HE PUTS ON THEM TO COMPENSATE FOR THE WEAKNESS IN THE FRONTS.
I AM MOVING HOUSE THIS WEEKEND. NEXT WEEK I AM DRIVING TO HW TO MEET WITH THOSE INVOLVED IN OLIVERS SURGERIES ETC.
I AM THEN GOING TO CONTACT ANIMAL CONTROL WHO I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL TIMES AND WILL GET OLIVERS PAPERWORK.
AFTER GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THOSE PARTIES, I WILL THEN MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAIN MINA.
I WILL ALSO MAKE THE DECISION BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER ON WHETHER TO SEND MY BOY TO RAINBOW BRIDGE.
IF ANY OF YOU WISH TO EMAIL ME PRIVATELY WITH ANY ADVISE ON HOW TO HANDLE THIS IN A LEGAL MATTER I WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL AND WILL KEEP YOUR INFORMATION CONFIDENTIAL.
LASTLY TO MINA... HOW DARE YOU TRY TO MANIPULATE ME EMOTIONALLY BY TRYING TO SAY THAT I DONT LOVE MY BOY ENOUGH...
I HAVE PUT OLIVER ABOVE MY OWN HEALTH, MY OWN FINANCIAL SECURITY, MY ONGOING COLLEGE EDUCATION, MY FAMILY IN THE UK AND MY PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP OF 5 YEARS (which ended due to the amount of time and money that has gone into him..the words of my ex.. I wish I was a horse!!).. AND NUMEROUS FRIENDS THAT I HAVE LOST DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND MONEY THAT HAS GONE INTO HIS WELLBEING. I HAVE DONE THIS SELFLESSLY AND WOULD HAVE NEVER MENTIONED OR COMPLAINED ABOUT IT BUT I HAVE BEEN FORCED TO NOW HAVE TO PUT MY NEEDS FIRST IN REGARDS TO MY OWN DISABILITY. I SAW MY ORTHO AND NEURO SURGEON ON 8/22 AND WAS TOLD THAT EACH DAY WITHOUT THE NEURO SURGERY I PLACE MY OWN LIFE AT RISK BECAUSE THE DISCS IN MY NECK ARE NOW TOUCHING MY SPINAL CORD.. I ALSO HAVE TO HAVE BOTH OF MY HIPS REPLACED IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THIS IS ALL DUE TO A DEGENERATIVE ARTHRITIS WHICH WAS NOT DIAGNOSED UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AFTER ADOPTING OLIVER. OBVIOUSLY HAD I KNOWN HOW SERIOUS OWN CONDITION WAS I WOULD NOT HAVE ADOPTED HIM.
SORRY TO HAVE TO GO INTO SUCH PERSONAL DETAIL REGARDING MY OWN HEALTH BUT I NEED TO LET MINA KNOW HOW SERIOUS MY OWN SITUATION HAS NOW BECOME.. AND THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT BECAUSE I LOVE OLIVER SO MUCH THAT I HAVE PLACED MY OWN LIFE AT RISK. WHAT GOOD WILL I BE IF I AM NOT AROUND OR STUCK IN A WHEEL CHAIR FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!
NOW I MUST SIGN OFF SO I CAN BE AT THE STABLE BY 6AM
I AM INDEBTED TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE IN EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS IN THIS VERY SAD SITUATION.
BEST WISHES
DEBORAH
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here is a link to the horseshoe.com thread referenced above.
http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=689
The discussion might be interesting to those who have contracted horses.
The second response has an interesting comment about the effect of over feedng before the age of 2yo that I want to look into more since I have a 4mo that suddenly decided yesterday that he just can't get enough grain (guess those taste buds finally kicked in)
http://www.horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=689
The discussion might be interesting to those who have contracted horses.
The second response has an interesting comment about the effect of over feedng before the age of 2yo that I want to look into more since I have a 4mo that suddenly decided yesterday that he just can't get enough grain (guess those taste buds finally kicked in)