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Need mating advice for this mare

Postby aurora » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:47 am

Barroness Beth by Track Barron x Coasting Home

She had 10 starts at 2 racing in NY mostly and got a 2nd and 3rd. She has been in Nebraska all her broodmare life (she's 19 now) and bred to local NE stallions. Has 4 registered TB foals with 2 making it to the track. I found her in NE in deplorable condition, pasture bred to an Arab. She had the Arab filly and her first KY foal I bred was full term but died just after foaling. BB is currently in foal to Tomahawk for a Feb foal.

BB is full sister to Trach Monarch a G3 SW in the US, 1/2 sister to two Champion G1 SW's in South Africa Coasting Home and Badger's Coast. She has a 1/2 sister that has produced G1 SW (SAF) Floatyourboat.

Here is an interesting article re her dam, Coasting Home.
www.sportingpost.co.za/ped_maj/badgrc.htm

I'd love to get a filly from her and race it. She will foal in ON but can travel to the right stallion. Fee needs to be less than 15k.

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Postby larrygene » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:42 am

Aurora, look south toward Louisiana. Your mare and Mustang Jock look like an excellent cross and gives a 4x4 Shenanigans. His fee is only $1250LF. JOCK is an awesome individual! Something to consider if you plan to race.

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Postby casper10 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:50 am

At first glance, Pioneering might not be a mad match. You would get a double of Somethingroyal. Furthermore, your dam's 4th dam - Capelet has a double of Stephanie (Bolero, Count Fleet) which mirrors Pioneering's double of her via the same 2 sires.

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Postby SemparQuel » Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:51 am

My advice if for a guy from Alluvial.

Do you like Canvas, or do you prefer APTITUDE?

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Postby henthorn » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:10 am

With the South African connection, you should consider Horse Chestnut at Claiborne in KY.

Closer to home, check out the hypo-mating with Ocean Terrace, a son of Saint Ballado who stands stud at Belle Mere Farm near Norman, OK. There's some nice linebreeding there, and he's a nice fella that was mismanaged during his racing with an injury, so his record looks worse than it might have been. He's a beautiful sprinter.
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Postby henthorn » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:19 am

With the South African connection, you should consider Horse Chestnut at Claiborne in KY.

Closer to home, check out the hypo-mating with Ocean Terrace, a son of Saint Ballado who stands stud at Belle Mere Farm near Norman, OK. There's some nice linebreeding there, and he's a nice fella that was mismanaged during his racing with an injury, so his record looks worse than it might have been. He's a beautiful sprinter.

Star of the Crop stands stud privately, north of Edmond, OK, and his best runner was out of a Majestic Light mare. Well-conformed sprinter and sound. Lots of Mahmoud linebreeding. $1500 stud fee, firm. PM me for more info.

Evansville Slew is new in OK, if you like that match.

Two north Texas studs I like are Holzmeister and Authenticate. The latter is a very well-bred son of Gone West out of Lakeway, unraced, and has no runners yet, but Holz' is producing stakes winners in TX, and looks good on paper with your mare. And my mare Reigning Glory5 produced a beautiful Authenticate filly this year, and she is a descendant of Majestic Prince also.
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Postby angelsprite » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:12 pm

Two stallions in South Texas.

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Daring Messenger



53.1% genes from sources common to sire and dam.
19% from the immortal Polymelus line through Turn-To, Tom Fool, Nearco, Polymelus, and Phalaris. This is the Bona Vista branch of the Bend Or sireline.
12% from the Touchstone sireline through Blue Larkspur, Son In Law, Aloe, Ultimus, and Rose Leaves.
7.4% from the Melbourne sireline through Discovery and Man O’ War.
5.1% from Flying Fox through Sir Gallahad, Teddy, and Bull Dog. This is the Ormonde branch of the Bend Or sireline.
3.5% from the Isonomy sireline through Mumtaz Begum, Swynford, Blandford, and Blenheim.
3.1% from the Vedette sireline through Bubbling Over, Buchan, and Selene.
1.6% from the Ben Brush sireline through Whisk Broom and Frizeur.
1% from Tracery of the Springfield line.
.5% from Light Brigade. This is the Orvieto branch of the Bend Or line.

Y chromosome descent, Phalaris through Seattle Slew. This Y chromosome has been carried by 10 of the 11 Triple Crown winners. There is a reasonable genetic certainty that this stallion’s Y chromosome is identical to the Y chromosome carried by Triple Crown Champion Seattle Slew.
Sire line fertility average: 502 foals lifetime (calculated over 3 generations)
2007 will be this stallion’s first year at stud.

Dam family 2, Burton Barb Mare. This haplotype occurs in families 1, 2, 6, 7, 16, 17, and 22. This is the same haplotype as that carried by Nothern Dancer, Teddy, Flying Fox, West Australian, Nijinsky, Bold Ruler, Damascus, Raise A Native, Plucky Liege, Ruffian, Triple Crown winner Whirlaway, Triple Crown Winner Omaha, Lyphard, Waffles, and Scepter, among many other exceptional racers and producers. No known denovo mutations.
Dam Line fertility average: 5 foals, (calculated over 4 generations)

Influential stallions in 5 generations:
Seattle Slew
Buckpasser
Tom Fool
Turn-To
Intentionally
Bold Ruler
Hail To Reason
Round Table
War Admiral
Roman
Royal Charger
Olympia

Other important sires:
Fast Play (Sire of 34 black type performers)
Smarten (Noted for improving soundness in Thoroughbred bloodlines)
Bold Reasoning (Sire of Triple Crown Champion Seattle Slew)


Influential mares in 5 generations:
Con Game (Blue Hen)
Smartaire (1979 Kentucky Broodmare of the Year)
Tamerett (Blue Hen)
Gaga (1953 Kentucky Broodmare of the Year)
Traffic Court (1954 Kentucky Broodmare of the Year)

Other important mares:
Double Dairya (Dam of Congeleur in bottom line)
My Charmer (Dam of Seattle Slew, Triple Crown Champion)
Mixed Marriage (Dam of Chef De Race stallion and Champion Sprinter Intentionally. Also the Blue Hen mare Tamerett)
Jolie Deja (Dam of Mr. Leader in bottom line)
Myrtlewood (Hall of Fame, 6th generation)

American champions in 5 generations:
Seattle Slew (Horse of the Year, Hall of Fame, Champion 2 Year Old Male, Champion 3 Year Old Male, Champion Older Male, Triple Crown winner)
War Admiral (Horse of the Year, Hall of Fame, Champion 2 Year Old Male, Champion 3 Year Old Male)
Buckpasser (Horse of the Year, Hall of Fame, Champion 2 Year Old Male, Champion 3 Year Old Male, Twice Champion Older Male)
Tom Fool (Horse of the Year, Hall of Fame, Champion 2 Year Old Male, Champion Sprinter, Champion Older Male)
Bold Ruler (Horse of the Year, Hall of Fame, Champion 3 Year Old Male, Champion Sprinter)
Round Table (Horse of the Year, Hall of Fame, three time Champion Turf Male, twice Champion Older Male)
Challedon (Twice Horse of the Year, Hall of Fame)
Hasty Road (Champion 2 Year Old Male)
Hail To Reason (Champion 2 Year Old Male)
Menow (Champion 2 Year Old Male)
Challedon (Champion 3 Year Old Male, Champion Older Male)
Tim Tam (Hall of Fame, Champion 3 Year Old Male)
Intentionally (Champion Sprinter)
Myrtle Charm (Champion 3 Year Old Female)

This stallion carries the Seattle Slew sireline which continue to dominate American racing today through a number of fine stallions, including current National Leading Sire, A.P. Indy. The Fast Play x Smarten cross has proven itself in the performance of his full brother, the black type horse, Tarambana, (exported).
The dominance and versatility of this sireline shows in both performance and phenotypical appearance. Daring Messenger is a stamped copy of his sire and his sire’s sire, in both conformation and color, even to the white spot on the back of the left hind hoof, made famous by Triple Crown Champion Seattle Slew.
Bred in Kentucky. His foals will be eligible for Texas Bred Accreditation in 2007.
2007 fee $1500


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Churchhill


Percent linebreeding in 8 generations:
61% of genes from sources common to sire and dam.
28.1% from the Phalaris dynasty through Nasrullah, Native Dancer, Nearco, Polynesian, Phalaris, and Pharos. (Balanced contribution of speed line to classic distance and beyond.)
12.1% from the Commando line through Bourtai, Bimelech, Blue Larkspur, Ultimus, Stimulus, and Peter Pan. (Considered a speed line with some representatives running classic distance.)
6.7% from the Teddy line through Teddy, Bull Dog, and Sir Gallahad. (Considered a middle to classic distance line with some representatives showing speed.)
6.6% from the St. Simon line through Princequillo, Sweet Briar, Scapa Flow, Selene, and Plucky Liege. (Significant endurance contribution.)
5.1% from the Melbourne line through Man O’ War, Whisk Broom, Fair Play, and Display. (Significant endurance contribution.)
2.4% In smaller contributions from the Isonomy line, Stockwell, Touchstone, and Sundridge support the linebreeding grouped in other families. (Contributes more classic distance representatives.)

Y chromosome descent, Phalaris through Deputy Minister. This Y chromosome has been carried by 10 of the 11 Triple Crown winners.
Sire line fertility average: 670 lifetime foals, 4 generations.
2007 will be this stallion’s first year at stud.

Dam family 9, Old Spot Mare, mtDNA haplotype descending through the Maid Of Masham, identifying this stallion’s dam-line as a deep rooted anomaly and a mystery more than 300 years old in dam family 9. This mtDNA haplotype is the same as that carried by Risen Star, Mahmoud, and Mumtaz Mahal, among many other famous racers and producers.
Dam-line fertility average: 8.3 foals in 4 generations (multiple progeny earning in the hundreds of thousands in every generation.)

Influential stallions in 5 generations:
Mr. Prospector
Raise A Native (2x’s)
Never Bend
Northern Dancer
Round Table (Hall of Fame)
Hail To Reason
Native Dancer (2x’s) (Hall of Fame)
Nashua (Hall of Fame)
Nasrullah (3x’s)
Princequillo
Turn-To
Polynesian
Count Fleet (Triple Crown Winner, Hall of Fame)
Nearco

Other important sires:
The Prime Minister (Broodmare sire of Sinister Minister, winner of the Toyota Bluegrass Stakes by more than 12 lengths in 2006 with highest Beyer speed rating of the entrants in the 2006 Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum.)
Deputy Minister (Sire of The Prime Minister and numerous other black type performers. Currently has a profound influence in modern Thoroughbred pedigrees.)
Nearctic (Hall of Fame)
Stymie (Hall of Fame)
Case Ace (Hall of Fame)

Influential Mares in 5 generations:
Levee (Kentucky Broodmare of the Year 1970)
Natalma (Blue hen)
Knight’s Daughter (Kentucky Broodmare of the Year 1959)
Segula (Blue hen)
Mumtaz Begum (Blue hen)
Bourtai (Blue hen)

Other important mares:
Scapa Flow linebreding (Blue Hen)
Bloodroot 6th generation (Kentucky Broodmare of the Year 1946)
Myrtlewood 6th generation (Hall Of Fame)
Plucky Liege linebreeding (Blue hen)

American champions in 5 generations:
Deputy Minister (Champion 2 year old male)
Raise A Native 2x’s (Champion 2 year old male)
Never Bend (Champion 2 year old male)
Northern Dancer (Champion 3 year old male)
Hail To Reason (Champion 2 year old male)
Native Dancer 2x’s (Champion 2 year old male, Champion 3 year old male, Champion older male, Horse of the Year)
Nashua (Champion 2 year old male, Champion 3 year old male, Horse of the Year)
Polynesian (Champion sprinter)
Round Table (Three time champion turf male, Champion older male, Horse of the Year)
Hill Price (Champion 2 year old male, Champion 3 year old male, Champion older male, Horse of the Year)
Count Fleet (Champion 2 year old male, Champion 3 year old male, Triple Crown Winner, Horse of the Year)

Accredited Texas bred.

Churchhill stands at
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Many options on line breeding

Postby Keith » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:31 pm

1. Afternoon Deelites
linebreeding Shenanigans 4x4
linebreeding Somethingroyal 5x5

2. Came Home
linebreeding Shenanigans 4x5
linebreeding Somethingroyal 5x5

3. Hero's Tribute
linebreeding Busanda 5x5
linebreeding Quick Touch 5x6
Note both Baroness Beth and Hero's Tribute go back to Quick Touch

4. Johar
linebreeding Somethingroyal 5x5
linebreeding Sir Gaylord 4x5

5. Full Mandate
linebreeding Somethingroyal 5x5

6. Offlee Wild
linebreeding Shenanigans 4x4

7. Milwaukee Brew
linebreeding Shenanigans 4x4

8. Grand Reward
linebreeding Somethingroyal 5x5

9. Lost Soldier
linebreeding Somethingroyal 4x5

10. High Fly
linebreeding Somethingroyal 5x5

11. Real Quiet
linebreeding Gay Hostess 4x5

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Postby Rick » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:56 pm

I was going to suggest Afternoon Deelites also. I think Track Barron mares would cross nicely with him.