Admission of Guilt....slinking off

[George William Smith]

Spammer, tout....
Yep, it's time to move on.

If my 370 posts to yours of 610 since Sept 16, 2004, has been relentless then so be it. It has only been since I have because extensive tests on GSV2 and posting the results after I have posted my picks on the race aspect of this breeding tool. I should have just posted the results. lol

So I agree. Those who want to follow the GSV2 will have to come to my site to follow the testing.

The lowest common denominator controls the traffic on the road as it often does on lists. But nevertheless my intent was not to tick people off but instead let people concentrate on genetic strength as it applies to racing and breeding rathern than the horrible relentless posts of slaughter and breakdown posts that I avoid reading because I know what will be said.

Yep Sysonby you're right. I've got a taste of my own medicine and I don't like it. No more posts from me until at least the new year as I have suspended myself for touting and spamming. I'll slink off now into the corner and my own site.

George

ps.....I never did like the private messages via email aspect to this list...so there....lol

[Georgerz]

I believe this is in response to the last post in the "Did you miss out" thread. (by Sysonby)
I differ with the posters accusing you of spamming. All I have seen are well thought posts, informative and well written from you. I don't see you imposing on the forum in any way. I read your posts all the time because I find your theory of genetic strength interesting and important. I compare that with other theories, to learn more.
There is no reason to yield to a few sour grapes.

[BenB]

It,s important to drive several roads to some point. Not one road is always the best.
The more information the better.
Besides luck, the race in itself, the form on the day are always influential
on raceoutcomes.
So keep up working on your gsv2, the better it will become.

[reenci]

WHAT!........george your not gonna retreat are ya ? its a free country and i gotta say this ive never been spammed by you ....which cant be said for some others......cripes sake i rather enjoy your posts......have to admit i have made a few scores with your gsv scores....................dam cry babys grow the heck up.....or better yet geta life.........just cant stand crying moaning complaining............just figured out why i got rid of my ex.

[summerhorse]

I don't think your posts are spam and they certainly can be avoided if someone wants to. I find them interesting and informative.

Now someone posting aobut selling NIKON or something, that is spam...

[Sam]

Now someone posting aobut selling NIKON or something, that is spam...

Actually, I don't see much difference between a spambot signing up random accounts and posting Nikon ads and most of George's posts about his GSW system. That's why I generally don't read any thread he starts. This one got my attention on title alone.

Let's put it this way... There's two people here with 'systems' attached to the database: George with his GSV score and Bill's mare conduits.

Compare Bill's posting history to George's.

Most of George's posts are pretty much nothing but self-congratulatory posts on how his system scored in some stake race. I very rarely see Bill post about his conduit system and even then it's more likely to be a response to someone asking a question.

Humility makes more of an impression with me. I guess I just don't like self-pimping. I look at it this way; someone who's really good, doesn't need to self-promote. Someone who does probably isn't worth my attention.

I'd be more inclined to ask Bill's opinion just because he doesn't endlessly post about how good his system is.

[madelyn]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I am very interested in George's system. I'm a breeder. This year I have 22 mares. I am interested in the results of the GSV system as it relates to my mares and matings. I don't see George's posts as spam; I see them as information regarding the development and performance of a new tool for breeders. In the same light, Sam, I don't see your posts regarding Werk nicks as spam. I don't view Michael Ventura's posts regarding G1 Goldmine as spam. Ditto Bill and his Conduit Mare Profiles.

People selling cell phones and cameras are spammers here. People discussing tools that analyze Thoroughbred pedigrees/performance, in my opinion, are not.

[hpkingjr]

Damn I hate it when I agree with Madelyn. Well stated

[Sam]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

True enough.

I don't see George's posts as spam; I see them as information regarding the development and performance of a new tool for breeders.

If he were posting in a thread where someone was questioning how to use the system or clearing up some misconception, I would agree with you.

A person who continually starts threads with a brag like "Did you eat steak and lasagna (and what the hell kind of weird combo is that anyway? I eat steak with lobster... must be a Canuck thing)" and goes on about how his system led him to score big at the track (without naming selections before the race goes off -- that's call post-boarding, George), then includes a link to his site where he will try to convince you to hire him as an analysis is spamming.

Let me put it this way...

Subject heading: Do you like chocolate for breakfast?

Message body: Brand new black cherry chocolate razr!!! $350!! Only authorized dealer in your area. Go here for internet exclusive coupon (insert link)

Typical George-like post...

Subject heading: GSV takes home the crown

Message body: GSV scores once again point to the longshot winner in the Queen's Plate and pays out a nice $350 exacta. Go here for more information and link to tomorrow's top picks. (insert link)

I don't see any difference between the two. IMO, they are both spam because they are both unsolicited ads and include an offsite link trying to get me to buy something (in the first, a phone; the second is a more subtle pitch to George's bloodstock analysis abilities... he's fishing for more clients).

In the same light, Sam, I don't see your posts regarding Werk nicks as spam.

I don't pimp Werk. I don't even post about it until Michael starts his hate spewing, lie filled BS or someone asks a question that I can't answer and I tell them to call the company instead of asking for 3rd or 4th hand, biased and incorrect information.

I wouldn't take the 'vette to a Jaguar dealer for service. I don't see why people come here to ask for information about Werk when they can call them and speak to them directly. If people had questions about Bill's conduits and he wasn't a regular poster here, I'd be telling them to go to his site.

I don't view Michael Ventura's posts regarding G1 Goldmine as spam. Ditto Bill and his Conduit Mare Profiles.

If George spent more time in discussions on the board and less time pimping his system, I'd probably agree with you. Most of Michael's and Bill's posts are taking part in discussions. George does not. George starts a lot of threads that get very few views and even few responses because they are nothing more than self-promotion of his GSV scores.

Someone whose main purpose in posting to this message board is to start thread after thread about how great his picks did that day isn't worth my time. That's a tout and touts are why I left two other message boards. Actions speak louder than words, remember, and his actions tell me that he'd rather use this message board as free advertising space rather than take out an ad in a legitimate trade magazine.

People selling cell phones and cameras are spammers here. People discussing tools that analyze Thoroughbred pedigrees/performance, in my opinion, are not.

Again, if he were actually discussing the system, I'd agree with you. Since most of his posts are the same kind of bragging he did in the steak and lasagna thread, I don't.

[Ill-bred]

Whether or not it is Ok for a person to sell handicapping picks on Pedigree Query and use this site to advertise his/her own commercial website is up to the board owner/moderator to decide.

But honestly, my only issue with George was that he was giving himself mucho credit for his handicapping selections on a day where he picked ZERO winners. Handicapping is a challenging, tough game, and I objected to his tactics on "truth-in-advertising" grounds.

But no one, and certainly not me, is asking you to go away George. I just called you on some minor bs! No hard feelings. I would love to see more discussions of pedigree handicapping on this board, and I welcome all contributions.

[jagger]

Ditto Madelyn. I rather enjoy the self promoting aspect of George's posts and see no reason for him to engage in too much discussion about his system as this is what his link is for. I am probably different than most in that I admire someone who has come up with a new concept or a different approach and is NOT afraid to talk about it, even if it sounds like bragging. I do it all the time. This will, however, garner the contempt of the mass of mediocrity.

George has invested an incredible amount of time and has devised a nifty tool and he can be rightfully proud of his accomplishments. So, George, keep blowing your horn. I will not take offense.

My only suggestion for George is that he, as well as Bill and Michael Ventura, engage with each other in a thread. The combination of these 3 tools adds a little science to the voodoo of handicapping.

[Sam]

I rather enjoy the self promoting aspect of George's posts

Someone who is very good at what they do doesn't need to self-promote.

[Sysonby]

Someone whose main purpose in posting to this message board is to start thread after thread about how great his picks did that day isn't worth my time. That's a tout and touts are why I left two other message boards. Actions speak louder than words, remember, and his actions tell me that he'd rather use this message board as free advertising space rather than take out an ad in a legitimate trade magazine.

Sam, you summed up exactly my point on the other thread. George hasn't put any content in any of his recent posts that I've seen. He's just touting his picks and his services--and then, as I understand it, apparently doing it after the fact--which is redboarding.

Obviously this is a matter for the moderator and/or board owner, neither of which is me. But as a regular user of racing message boards, I've noticed that tout posts are some of the most corrosive messages because they usually foster other tout posts and pretty soon you've got a board full of them that you need to wade through to get the occasional non spam nugget. If George can brag about his picks, what's to stop ten or twenty other people from doing it as well? Pretty soon the racing board will be full of this stuff and then you'll have to make a real effort to find some conversation worth having. That's just my observation FWIW.

BTW I never noticed anyone asking George to leave. That was his response to posts questioning some of his claims (which is only fair IMO) and the lack of content of some of the posts.

[wilf]

I dont even click on the GSV stuff anymore .........my brain hurts! I looked at the memberlist the other day and of the last hundred to join I would have to say that perhaps five were legit! I must say that steak and lasagna did sound rather too much, either one with a salad would have sufficed but then again Sam, steak would RUIN a good lobster. In the words of Forrest Gump, "Thats all I have to say about that"!"

[larrygene]

For my two cents worth, I not going to get in this diatribe, but I have to agree with Sam on one point, it's steak and lobster, 5 to 1, over steak and lasagna.