A friend told me Mountaineer is going to start participating in the WVBRED incentive program.
I seem to remember a Mountaineer trainer posting here and would appreciate her cut on this issue
griff
Mountaneer WVBRED Incentives
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Mountaneer WVBRED Incentives
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Yep, that's part of it.
The WVBRED or WVTBA gets a cut from the slots and use it to to promote the TB industry in WV. Breeders of WVBRED horses that race at Charlestown , and now hopefully Mountaineer recieve a breeders incentive which last year came to approximately 40% of the winnings of the horse they bred. in additiona there are WVBRED-Only races and added money if a WVBRED wins an open race.
It will gratly enhance the WVBRED program if Mountaineer is now going to offer the same breeder andfd racer incentives.
WVBRED stallions also get a share of the WVBRED incentives and that is pulling in some very decent stallions.
griff
The WVBRED or WVTBA gets a cut from the slots and use it to to promote the TB industry in WV. Breeders of WVBRED horses that race at Charlestown , and now hopefully Mountaineer recieve a breeders incentive which last year came to approximately 40% of the winnings of the horse they bred. in additiona there are WVBRED-Only races and added money if a WVBRED wins an open race.
It will gratly enhance the WVBRED program if Mountaineer is now going to offer the same breeder andfd racer incentives.
WVBRED stallions also get a share of the WVBRED incentives and that is pulling in some very decent stallions.
griff
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griff,
I bought a WV-bred yearling at auction earlier this year. I've tried to find a website similar to what we have here in NY (that explains the program awards), but have been unable to do so. If you know, could you please explain the incentives available to owners of WV-breds? Are the open company awards that you reference in your prior e-mails available only if the horse wins in WV (as is the case here in NY), or are they available no matter where the horse wins (like NJ)? Also, what are the percentages of the open company awards, and do they differ if the horse's sire stands in WV or not? Thanks for your help.
I bought a WV-bred yearling at auction earlier this year. I've tried to find a website similar to what we have here in NY (that explains the program awards), but have been unable to do so. If you know, could you please explain the incentives available to owners of WV-breds? Are the open company awards that you reference in your prior e-mails available only if the horse wins in WV (as is the case here in NY), or are they available no matter where the horse wins (like NJ)? Also, what are the percentages of the open company awards, and do they differ if the horse's sire stands in WV or not? Thanks for your help.
go to google and type in WV Thoroughbred Horse Association and go from there.
I'm not the world's expert on WVBRED but like what I do know. The WVBRED program,like the PABRED program was developed to enhance the TB industry in WV [not NY] .
They pay a breeders fee to the breeder of a WVBRED based on the WVBRED's winnings at CT, now Mountaineer. Last year is was about 40%. So if I am the breeder of a WVBRED and you race that WVBRED at CT, now Mountaineer, you keep the purse and the WVBRED program pays me 40% of that purse. There are also stallion incentives, added money if a WVBRED wins a race and WVBRED=Only races.
I belieev a foal is a WVBRED if it is born in WV and it's dam is bred to a WVBRED stallion. That WVSIRED foal is also a WVBRED if it is born in WV even if it's dam is not rebred to a WVBRED stallion.
I don;t understand why more people are not racing theur WVBREDs in CT and now Mountainer with the added money and WVBRED-Only incentives but I'm told that WVBRED-Only races are cancelled several times a week because they can't get 7 WVBRED hoses to enter.
griff
I'm not the world's expert on WVBRED but like what I do know. The WVBRED program,like the PABRED program was developed to enhance the TB industry in WV [not NY] .
They pay a breeders fee to the breeder of a WVBRED based on the WVBRED's winnings at CT, now Mountaineer. Last year is was about 40%. So if I am the breeder of a WVBRED and you race that WVBRED at CT, now Mountaineer, you keep the purse and the WVBRED program pays me 40% of that purse. There are also stallion incentives, added money if a WVBRED wins a race and WVBRED=Only races.
I belieev a foal is a WVBRED if it is born in WV and it's dam is bred to a WVBRED stallion. That WVSIRED foal is also a WVBRED if it is born in WV even if it's dam is not rebred to a WVBRED stallion.
I don;t understand why more people are not racing theur WVBREDs in CT and now Mountainer with the added money and WVBRED-Only incentives but I'm told that WVBRED-Only races are cancelled several times a week because they can't get 7 WVBRED hoses to enter.
griff
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Break down rate at MRn is alarming is one reason!
I do a lot of work selling horses coming out of MRN and Im not the only one. if they ever fix that track there would be fewer horses who need a new home do to career ending injury.
A friend who is also a trainer ponies every now and then and I hear all too often how many they break down during the races at night. Maybe with all of this added money they could pay for a better track maintaince crew and do something with the barns you cant walk through safely.
Im a breeder and have 4 broodmares who will be going to NY to foal and breed back, not becauseI feel its a better program I just cant see why I would spend the money I do on care, board, vets, nutrition, and training to allow my horses to go to the meat grinder at Mountaineer Park. And before anyone starts harping on ITS THE TRAINER...then tell my why horses break down daily at MRN regardless of WHO the trianer is? Its the surface...everyone there knows it...but no one does anything about it. I take that back...they close for a few days to FINIALLY fix the HOLE that has been at the top of the stretch for who knows how many yrs...but their Fix made other matters worse!
I was standing in the HBPA office one morning...listening to a few trainers complain about how poorly the track was prepaired that morning. (BTW I was in the office with a soon to be NEW Owner) Then another person whom I dont know if he was a trainer or not says..."Yes but according to the racing dirctor there is no problem with the track just ask her!" This is the kind of track I want my horses racing over. Grilf Im sorry if I was less then supportive about the WVA program...I think its got a lot of merit and it is a program that is long over due...but now the race tracks need to make the racing surface at least as SAFE AS POSSIBLE...and if the track they produce for MRN is the best they can do...I'll keep my horses in NY thank you.
to add....whats even harder? The trainers who are there...many have been there many many yrs...have lost so many horses and so much money patching horses up they cant afford to leave. Those who do complain about the track some how dont get stalls granted to them next time around. I honestly feel bad for the horsemen and women...many are stuck in a catch 22.
I do a lot of work selling horses coming out of MRN and Im not the only one. if they ever fix that track there would be fewer horses who need a new home do to career ending injury.
A friend who is also a trainer ponies every now and then and I hear all too often how many they break down during the races at night. Maybe with all of this added money they could pay for a better track maintaince crew and do something with the barns you cant walk through safely.
Im a breeder and have 4 broodmares who will be going to NY to foal and breed back, not becauseI feel its a better program I just cant see why I would spend the money I do on care, board, vets, nutrition, and training to allow my horses to go to the meat grinder at Mountaineer Park. And before anyone starts harping on ITS THE TRAINER...then tell my why horses break down daily at MRN regardless of WHO the trianer is? Its the surface...everyone there knows it...but no one does anything about it. I take that back...they close for a few days to FINIALLY fix the HOLE that has been at the top of the stretch for who knows how many yrs...but their Fix made other matters worse!
I was standing in the HBPA office one morning...listening to a few trainers complain about how poorly the track was prepaired that morning. (BTW I was in the office with a soon to be NEW Owner) Then another person whom I dont know if he was a trainer or not says..."Yes but according to the racing dirctor there is no problem with the track just ask her!" This is the kind of track I want my horses racing over. Grilf Im sorry if I was less then supportive about the WVA program...I think its got a lot of merit and it is a program that is long over due...but now the race tracks need to make the racing surface at least as SAFE AS POSSIBLE...and if the track they produce for MRN is the best they can do...I'll keep my horses in NY thank you.
to add....whats even harder? The trainers who are there...many have been there many many yrs...have lost so many horses and so much money patching horses up they cant afford to leave. Those who do complain about the track some how dont get stalls granted to them next time around. I honestly feel bad for the horsemen and women...many are stuck in a catch 22.
Fins to the Left....
Hey guys, sorry to be late to the dance!
Christy is correct about the racing surface being inconsistent. It was lightning fast for awhile then after being winterized we had so many cold days that they were not able to water the track properly. The rider's #1 complaint has always been "but the CLODS hit us in the face!!" So they slow down how much they water the track when it is cold enough to freeze into clods. As a result the track gets powdery, loose, and "dead."
I don't know - our horses train and stable on the Mnr track and have suffered no ill effects (knock knock). Had a win last week with Fatouma - and she was one sore critter when we got her - this was our third race with her. The deeper track has been a big help to get them fit w/o training their legs off.
It's as with anything - you have to work with what you are given to work with. We adjust our training schedule based on the track conditions - but when you have a small (5 horse) stable, you can do that. After so many years in this business we are well aware of the changes that we have to make in our training program to accomodate things that we have no control over. The common denominator is: in the race they all have to run over the same track.
In the wintertime, we do lots and lots of jogging!
Christy is correct about the racing surface being inconsistent. It was lightning fast for awhile then after being winterized we had so many cold days that they were not able to water the track properly. The rider's #1 complaint has always been "but the CLODS hit us in the face!!" So they slow down how much they water the track when it is cold enough to freeze into clods. As a result the track gets powdery, loose, and "dead."
I don't know - our horses train and stable on the Mnr track and have suffered no ill effects (knock knock). Had a win last week with Fatouma - and she was one sore critter when we got her - this was our third race with her. The deeper track has been a big help to get them fit w/o training their legs off.
It's as with anything - you have to work with what you are given to work with. We adjust our training schedule based on the track conditions - but when you have a small (5 horse) stable, you can do that. After so many years in this business we are well aware of the changes that we have to make in our training program to accomodate things that we have no control over. The common denominator is: in the race they all have to run over the same track.
In the wintertime, we do lots and lots of jogging!