Secretariat's Belmont S--full video

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Who was the best racehorse in U.S. history?

CITATION
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5%
MAN o'WAR
2
10%
SECRETARIAT
12
60%
other
5
25%
 
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Secretariat's Belmont S--full video

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:32 am

Dream on! Watch this stretch run and thank your maker that it happened in your lifetime - only one horse ever born could have won this race with 137 pounds!

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Re: Secretariat's Belmont S--full video

Postby Tairaterces » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:48 pm

CA Michael wrote:http://207.232.119.242/nyra/belmonts/1973/index.html

Unreal.


Oh yeah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Postby geowarrior » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:43 pm

They're both really something, but Secretariat's Belmont gets me every time.

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think Sham was a very good horse.

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Postby zinn21 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:29 pm

Both were great horses but Big Red from Meadow remains my No. 1. Wondering if anyone has access to Secretariat's Preakness? His clubhouse turn was a stunning/jaw dropping move never seen before or since.

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Postby geowarrior » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:34 pm

I don't have the links right here but I believe all three races (including a slightly better copy of the Belmont) are on utube. I'll try to find them when I get time. The Preakness move was spectacular.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:43 pm

Secretariat's Belmont was against a tired Sham and 3 outclassed horses. Forego ran past the best horses in the country with 137 pounds in the other clip - there's no comparison!
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Postby geowarrior » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:54 pm

Well, Secretariat's performance was a run, whereas Forego's performance was a race. It's kind of apples and oranges.

I think, from reading some of the literature, that Secretariat's run that day had a really profound effect on many who witnessed it, partly because it was so dominating, and partly because it seemed so effortless. Once the other horses were beaten, he just kept running to a world record.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:00 pm

A $50,000 claimer will equally dominate three $5,000 claimers.

If you want to talk about "a race against the clock," yes, it was awesome. But he beat nobody...and that tarnishes the memory of it.
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Postby Tairaterces » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:12 pm

geowarrior wrote:Well, Secretariat's performance was a run, whereas Forego's performance was a race. It's kind of apples and oranges.

I think, from reading some of the literature, that Secretariat's run that day had a really profound effect on many who witnessed it, partly because it was so dominating, and partly because it seemed so effortless. Once the other horses were beaten, he just kept running to a world record.


You had the feeling that he could go around one more time just for fun.

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Postby Tairaterces » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:42 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:Secretariat's Belmont was against a tired Sham and 3 outclassed horses.

A $50,000 claimer will equally dominate three $5,000 claimers.

If you want to talk about "a race against the clock," yes, it was awesome. But he beat nobody...and that tarnishes the memory of it.


I find it fascinating that to prove your "OPINION" you fall back on degrading the horses. . . . . .Do you really think that is going to sway anyone else's opinion . . . . . .NOT.

I'm glad your horse hero is Forego.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:33 am

After the Preakness, Sham was a tired horse. His works were gapped and slower than usual. Meanwhile, Secretariat's works actually got faster leading up to the Belmont Stakes.

Be real, Tairaterces....Twice a Prince was second - he won 3 races in his career and never won a stake. He wasn't totally outlassed by Secretariat?

Does that prove my point?
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Postby zinn21 » Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:52 am

Rockeby, might I remind you that Big Red blew by Forego like he was standing still in the Derby. Forego couldn't warm up Secretariat. He was a great horse but not close in ability. Secretariat's Belmont was a speed exhibition unequaled. You could have entered anyone that day in June and there would be no change in outcome-only a faster time.

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Postby Rokeby Forever » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:04 am

Forego bumped the rail on the far turn in the Derby...not that he was going to win, but he might have been closer.

It's too bad that Secretariat and Forego never faced eachother as 4 year olds. I think at equal weight at 1 1/4 mile, I would have taken Forego over Secretariat in the fall of 1974.

I think what people forget about Secretariat's era is how fast racetracks were then. Track records fell all over the place from 1973 - 1975.
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Postby Tairaterces » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:39 pm

Rokeby Forever wrote:Forego bumped the rail on the far turn in the Derby...not that he was going to win, but he might have been closer.

It's too bad that Secretariat and Forego never faced eachother as 4 year olds. I think at equal weight at 1 1/4 mile, I would have taken Forego over Secretariat in the fall of 1974.

I think what people forget about Secretariat's era is how fast racetracks were then. Track records fell all over the place from 1973 - 1975.


Secretariat raced 8 times after the KD . . . . . . . looks like Forego's connections were running scared the other way . . . . . I think that POINT is obvious.

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