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In our Derby or not???

Postby BenB » Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:11 am

Mellanie Surprise our 3yr filly still holds her entry for our Derby (12 furlongs turf).
The trainer advised me, bring her back to 7-9 furlong races.
He trained her dam, the full sisters of her dam, the whole family from the last three generations.
Up to now she is by far the best of the whole pack up to 9 furlongs, keeping some 12pds at least in hand.
The sought of better horses at the distance 12 furlongs failed in their last tests or not showing the quality needed for the job nor the time needed for the race.
Or will I follow his advice (the trainer) and look out for 7-9 furlong condition races in germany, as nothing remains for her in our homecountry
Unless to the states, we have to enter her two weeks before the race,
(with the last stakes beiing paid)
and confirm it a week before the race is actually run).
Our last try, 2 yrs ago, with a filly was run knowing she handled the distance with ease. She became 3rd. This one now is at least 25pnds better than the one 2yrs ago
Any advice welcome

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Postby Des » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:54 am

I Think you should evaluate the race, look who she may meet in the race and ask yourself if she can handle the distance at this time. Then make your honest decision from there. See what's best for your horse. Then go from there.

What do you want to do?

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Postby BenB » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:39 am

I just don,t now at this time.
It might be our last chance to start in our Derby, but not at any costs
She proved her quality at around 8-9 furlongs so in the autumm there are
plenty of possibillities left.
If the distance proves to be too long, it will take plenty of TLC and R and R
to get her right again as she is a genuine sort of filly
The dam raced once at 12 furlongs and become 12th of 14 (her derby)
winning distances 7,5 furlong 9 furlong 9 wins out of 44 starts and a lot of places and shows

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Postby Des » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:35 am

Ben,

Have a good talk with your trainer. It seems as if you are leaning towards running. Is she fit enough? Can she get the distance? Only one way to find out.
Do you think she is better off skipping this race.

If you do run her, caution the jock not to beat her up if she's beaten.

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Postby Georgerz » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:40 am

If she is healthy and fit, wouldn't you give her a chance to prove herself in the Derby. She has already shown that she has class. If after 10 furlongs she looks beaten, then she can be eased up to the finish. She may surprise all of you with an outstanding performace, after all.

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Postby Des » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:24 am

I agree, If she's fit and ready go for it....

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Postby BenB » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:20 pm

She has much more racingclass than stamina that,s for sure.
So her class has to prevail

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Postby Roguelet » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:07 am

I don't know enough about the racing there to make any recommendations, but if you do decide to run her, best of luck to you. Please do keep us informed.
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Postby erins isle » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:50 pm

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Postby BenB » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:41 pm

I found a conditions race for her in Germany. fillies only 7 furlongs
the 25th. It is a condition race for 3 yrs old and up. Weight advantage
for 3 yr olds 10 pounds .
After this race we will discuss everything how further.
She is a real closer so we have to see what happens

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Postby parlo » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:39 pm

On pedigree Mellanie’s sire Platini (named after the famous French soccer-player) is a sire with relatively more classic and stout offsprings than those with intermediate influences, he is a better sire of fillies than of colts. Mellanie’s dam was a 9 furlong horse. Platini’s dam Prairie Darling, who is dam of another G1-offspring – Paolini, and so one of Germany’s great contemporary broodmares, won just one race – a maiden over 9 furlongs, and was a ¾ lengths beaten 2nd in a listed race over the same distance (ironically it was in the Festa-Rennen at Baden-Baden – the race that gave Mellanie a little disappointment three weeks ago). In contrary to his half-brother Platini Paolini was not a true stayer by European standards – his best performance was a win over just under 9 furlongs at Dubai.

So much speaks against Mellanie’s stamina. What’s about the class of the other entries in the Dutch Derby? How many of them were already beaten by Mellanie? I don’t know much about the Dutch Derby – in recent years in our Derby there is no win by a top-class intermediate horse or even a miler. Their racing-class was just good enough for second or third place in that race.

Of course I personally would appreciate watching Mellanie at my “home-track” at Düsseldorf and meet You and perhaps Your family again after our remarkable common one-day-tour to Baden-Baden. At the moment the Düsseldorf-race shows few but strong competitors.

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Postby BenB » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:24 am

The decision is finally made by our trainer, as we could not decide as owners.
She,s entered for our Derby. 12 furlong turf lefthanded
He said if she,s run from last, like she does in most cases, nothing will harm her as we are having a female rider ( low weight) on her back.
She shows real closing speed in her last outing against older filly and
mares.
She gets a big racesaddle on her back and a little bit of lead. Nerveous already. A fortnight to go.

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Postby Des » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:34 pm

Safe trip with your filly. Hope she runs well for you.

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Postby madelyn » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:41 am

Go Mellanie!
So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....